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  • #46
    so one person's post on another thread equals everyone who would spank capable of abusing a child

    got it
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    yeah you are

    Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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    • #47
      Cori if you would, could you address my quoted statement?

      Isn't it helpful to a child's development to understand that violence is an act that affects them violently? As opposed to an idea that affects them rationally?

      and why are people so anti-smacking? Not in the "don't smack kids" sense, but in the, "I will use being smacked as an example of a heinous and inherently terrible event!" It's a smack. Literally no one ever suffered anything from it except some cheek puffing and wounded pride.
      "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

      Jack london, "Before Adam"

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
        Literally no one ever suffered anything from it except some cheek puffing and wounded pride.
        Literally no one?! How do you know?
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • #49
          Originally posted by TheFastCat View Post
          In this case it is very directly the OP who is advocating that behavior... but a lot of other people act out that behavior regularly as well I believe.
          I went back and directly quoted the OP's advocation of slapping a child in the face so you could be less nit picky. Not weasely at all IMO since I have been slapped in the face many times myself... I was not saying that "a lot" of people here were advocating that action, simply that many people in American culture practice it. Or at least they did in the area/time I grew up in since I doubt I can name off even a few of the people I know who were never in their lives smacked in the face while growing up.
          “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
          ~Friedrich Nietzsche
          And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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          • #50
            Why are you equating hitting someone with abuse?!

            Reading some of these arguments is making me want to abuse some posters, so that they can log back in and say something like,

            "Oh I see...there is getting hit, and there is being abused."
            "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

            Jack london, "Before Adam"

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
              Why are you equating hitting someone with abuse?!

              Reading some of these arguments is making me want to abuse some posters, so that they can log back in and say something like,

              "Oh I see...there is getting hit, and there is being abused."
              <sigh>. Fine, there's a third category. Spanking, hitting, beating. In my view they're different points on the same scale, the differentiating factor being rage.

              Originally posted by Louisa655
              Physical abuse stems from a lack of perceived control.
              I agree with that. But then how do you show those pesky kids who's boss??
              Last edited by YogaBare; 02-11-2013, 03:56 PM.
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Louisa655
                Well, let me ask this question: How do you know the child understood what your expectation was? And if the child did understand and didn't comply--- how does that justify being slapped around?
                Same as with an adult. They have to be able to express the expectation in their own words, in a way you agree with. That's the only way you ever stand a chance of knowing that you are understood. If you ask someone to do something, and you don't get a paraphrase of your request back, you have no right to complain about whatever they do to fulfill that request. At that point they didn't fail, you failed to ensure understanding of your request.

                As for justification... if you explain to a child that climbing on the roof is dangerous and that they are not allowed to climb on the roof, and you come home from work to find them up on the roof, you are now faced with a challenge... you need to convince them that even though they have now successfully done something you told them not to (which means they know they can do it again), that the risks are not worth whatever reward they see. One way to do that would be to wait for them to fall off the roof and then lecture them if they survive. Another would be to punish. How you punish depends on the kid and for some kids causing physical pain is a valid approach.


                Originally posted by Louisa655
                I do not condone physical abuse of any sort ---- in any relationship. There are alternatives to physical abuse.......and there is no reason -- EVER -- to strike a child, a spouse, a friend, an interviewee or any other human being. We do not learn from being struck in the bum face or any other areas of our body. Physical abuse stems from a lack of perceived control.
                I wasn't accusing you of condoning physical abuse. It's just that the scenario you painted described something as "punishment" when it was really causing harm. That made me wonder if you understood that punishment and harm are very different ideas. Physical abuse and physical punishment are not related concepts even though they could involve the same physical movements of your arm.
                Last edited by Him; 02-11-2013, 04:05 PM.

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                • #53
                  you send in shaggy and scooby to foil all their evil plans?
                  Last edited by bloodorchid; 02-11-2013, 03:57 PM. Reason: if i could grammar, it'd be a miracle
                  beautiful
                  yeah you are

                  Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                  lol

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                  • #54
                    And what do you do to the kid who doesn't respond with the expected "pain" out cry from your spanking?
                    What if they show no response at all?


                    That happens too.
                    “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                    ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                    And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                    • #55
                      why would you want the kid to cry out?
                      beautiful
                      yeah you are

                      Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                      lol

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                        why would you want the kid to cry out?
                        Sadly, that is some parent's goal.
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by PrimalJewishAmericanPrincess View Post
                          I don't believe that "it depends on the child." It depends on the parent. If a parent hits and the lesson ends there, of course the deviant behavior can continue. If parenting were as easy as hitting=success or guilt=success, we would have a world full of successful, well adjusted adults. But there is more to it than that. We have parents that hit without remorse or love and parents that coddle and never teach independance.
                          It does depend on the kid, not the parent. I got spanked. My parents found that putting me in time outs did not really affect me. My brother? Being put in time out was like the end of the world to him and was extremely effective.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                            Sadly, that is some parent's goal.
                            in which case there is some mental issue with the parent, it's not the goal of sanity
                            beautiful
                            yeah you are

                            Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                            lol

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                              in which case there is some mental issue with the parent, it's not the goal of sanity
                              I don't think anyone will contest that!
                              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                              - Ray Peat

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Louisa655
                                and there is no reason -- EVER -- to strike a child, a spouse, a friend, an interviewee or any other human being.
                                So if you are being attacked or raped what would you do? Try asking them to stop harming you and see how well that works. You might be able to run away but sometimes that's not an option. This generally would not apply to children but there are very good reasons to strike some human beings.

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