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  • #46
    The place we buy our soap from say they don't use lye:

    I thought I bought goats milk soap, but its not, they are hemp soaps.
    So how do they get them to foam?

    HEMP OIL SOAPS

    HONEY COLOURED; Lavender, Neem, calendula and camomile soap; ING;
    hemp,coconut,neem and olive oils, shea and cocoa butter, calendula and
    camomile herbs, essential oils of Lavender.

    DARK BROWN; Patchouli, Cinnamon, Sandalwood and Ginger; ING; Hemp,
    Olive, Coconut oils, shea and cocoa butters, Sandalwood, Cinnamon and Ginger
    powders, Essential oils of Patchouli and Cinnamon.

    RED GREEN CLAY SWIRL; Himalayan Cedarwood, Litsea Cubeba and Lemon
    Scented Gum; ING; Hemp, Coconut and Olive oils, Shea and Cocoa Butters,
    Australian white clay, essential oils of Himalayan Cedarwood, Litsea Cubeba
    and Lemon Scented Eucalyptus.

    WHITE SWIRL; West Indian Lime and Rose geranium with French Clays; ING;
    Hemp, Coconut and Olive oils, Shea and cocoa butters, French red and green
    clay, essential oils of West Indian lime and Rose Geranium.

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    • #47
      The place we buy our soap from say they don't use lye:

      I thought I bought goats milk soap, but its not, they are hemp soaps.
      So how do they get them to foam?

      HEMP OIL SOAPS

      HONEY COLOURED; Lavender, Neem, calendula and camomile soap; ING;
      hemp,coconut,neem and olive oils, shea and cocoa butter, calendula and
      camomile herbs, essential oils of Lavender.

      DARK BROWN; Patchouli, Cinnamon, Sandalwood and Ginger; ING; Hemp,
      Olive, Coconut oils, shea and cocoa butters, Sandalwood, Cinnamon and Ginger
      powders, Essential oils of Patchouli and Cinnamon.

      RED GREEN CLAY SWIRL; Himalayan Cedarwood, Litsea Cubeba and Lemon
      Scented Gum; ING; Hemp, Coconut and Olive oils, Shea and Cocoa Butters,
      Australian white clay, essential oils of Himalayan Cedarwood, Litsea Cubeba
      and Lemon Scented Eucalyptus.

      WHITE SWIRL; West Indian Lime and Rose geranium with French Clays; ING;
      Hemp, Coconut and Olive oils, Shea and cocoa butters, French red and green
      clay, essential oils of West Indian lime and Rose Geranium.

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      • #48
        No lye, no soap

        no lye = pot full of nice smelling goop

        And glycerine soap began it's humble life with lye

        if they say no lye they're fibbing. Re-batched soap is still soap

        and fyi, store soaps are detergent which is why theyre harsh on skin. Home made soaps are gentil and dont strip your skin. The initial lye needed gets processed out while the bars cure
        beautiful
        yeah you are

        Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
        lol

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        • #49
          bloodorchid is right.

          due to the chemical process of adding lye to fat/oil (even from hemp), the lye is chemically altered such that it is not lye anymore. if you use the right amount and the soap cures, there's no more lye in the final process. but it's the lye -- in chemical reaction with fat -- that creates the soap.

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          • #50
            I think I am now confused.
            You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

            Age 48
            height 5'3
            SW 215 lbs
            CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
            LW 172 lbs
            GW 125ish lbs

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            • #51
              YogaBare, I read the link to your poo-less post and I am totally going to try this! Thanks to you and others' posts, I feel I can do this too! Going to start a journal in the forums! Thanks
              Starting weight: 206 lbs in June 2012
              Goal weight: 135 lbs
              Current weight: 187bs Feb 9th, 2013

              The funny thing about getting on and off the wagon for me is, I either dive on or dive off. There is no nice and easy. All or nothing.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                Great
                Ive done the same
                I do the CaveGirlEats oil cleansing method on my face every few days, and it feels awesome!
                So cheap too.
                I have not bothered with makeup for ages.

                It extends to cleaning products in my home too, I use natural cleaners, no fly sprays etc.
                I can't wait to try this, Ayla! Thanks for the info.
                Starting weight: 206 lbs in June 2012
                Goal weight: 135 lbs
                Current weight: 187bs Feb 9th, 2013

                The funny thing about getting on and off the wagon for me is, I either dive on or dive off. There is no nice and easy. All or nothing.

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                • #53
                  When I was living in India I stayed with some ascetic monks for a while (as you do). They did their washing up with ashes from the fire! It works amazingly well for dishes. Maybe not so much for skin :P


                  Originally posted by Taggy G View Post
                  YogaBare, I read the link to your poo-less post and I am totally going to try this! Thanks to you and others' posts, I feel I can do this too! Going to start a journal in the forums! Thanks
                  Great!!! Glad to be of help
                  "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                  In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                  - Ray Peat

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                  • #54
                    They sent me the ingredients list though, so I did ask to explain since id read without lye there is no soap.
                    But maybe there is another way?
                    Surely they can't leave out things from the ingredients list though?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                      When I was living in India I stayed with some ascetic monks for a while (as you do). They did their washing up with ashes from the fire! It works amazingly well for dishes. Maybe not so much for skin :P
                      lye is "pot ash" or the white ash from fires. So, "straight" like this -- it's a highly caustic base. Yes, it works for cleaning things! LOL

                      Added to fat, there's a chemical reaction where the lye is neutralized (and so is the fat), so that makes the soap neutral. Thus, soap, rather than "lye" and "fat." And therefore, it's not caustic anymore.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                        They sent me the ingredients list though, so I did ask to explain since id read without lye there is no soap.
                        But maybe there is another way?
                        Surely they can't leave out things from the ingredients list though?
                        if they order a soap base and add in their own ingredients they can technically say 'we don't use lye'

                        but it's still a lie

                        *badum tsss!*
                        beautiful
                        yeah you are

                        Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                        lol

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                        • #57
                          I don't understand the soap base thing. Can you see from the ingredients list I posted, what could have the lye or whatever in it?

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                          • #58
                            I make goats milk soap. I use lye in my recipe--you have to use some kind of caustic/Alkaline ingredient to make saponification happen. Lye is the most commonly used ingredient. To tmake soap you have to have 3 fatty acid molecules attached to a glycerol molecule and then combined with the alkali. The glycerol is freed and either left in (as is the case with my soap) or washed out (as is the case with commercial soaps).
                            The soap I make is non-drying. What commonly dries out the skin of people living in 1st world countries is living in processed air. I live in Central America part of the year without living in processed air and I never, ever had to use moisturizers. Ever.
                            that said, I do wash my hair with shampoo about twice a week. I keep my hair very short and cutting it regularly keeps it soft and smooth. The ends of your hair are merely layers of keratin that have accumulated. the longer they are exposed to the environment (even without chemicals) they will become de-laminated and start to look "frizzy". Putting stuff ON your skin will affect the external layer of keratin, but it takes a (sometimes expensive) delivery system to cause deeper changes. And of course nothing (except radiation, which is detrimental) can change the DNA of your cells.
                            Of course having a healthy diet will make your body processes more efficient and cause sloughing of dry skin cells to become more regular causing a healthier-looking skin.
                            Some of it has to do with genetics. Look at you mother and you can see what your skin will be similar to (although not exactly the same) when you age.
                            Skin and hair looks aren't magic, it is just biological science.
                            http://www.cantneverdidanything.net/

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                            • #59
                              when i say soap base, i mean plain lye-made soap bought in bulk from a supplier

                              re-batch means you take a bar, grate it down (like on a cheese grater), and gently melt it down

                              these
                              HONEY COLOURED; Lavender, Neem, calendula and camomile soap; ING;
                              hemp,coconut,neem and olive oils, shea and cocoa butter, calendula and
                              camomile herbs, essential oils of Lavender.


                              are everything they put in their soap

                              let's say i made a batch of plain goat milk soap. i don't like how they look, so i grate them down, melt them in a pot and add in lavender oil, chamomile flowers, shea and cocoa butter for extra skin goodness. then i pour it all into a soap mold and let it dry, then cut it into bars

                              i rebatched the goat milk soap

                              if they say they don't use lye, they're either lying about that, or they buy a pre-made soap and rebatch it. either way, at least in america, you have to list all of the ingredients and lye (or its technical name, 'sodium hydroxide') should be listed

                              they're being disingenuous at best
                              beautiful
                              yeah you are

                              Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                              lol

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                              • #60
                                Thanks BO, that makes more sense.

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