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  • #46
    Never wrestle with a pig - you get dirty and the pig likes it.
    "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

    B*tch-lite

    Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by anna5 View Post
      Of course, what we do know about him is totally unattractive: a dishonest showman. So suddenly on this one day he becomes a paragon of decency. We have no idea how he reached the position he has at Columbia: smiled a lot? slept around? kissed important a-sses? Forgive me for being cynical, but I firmly believe that although chances that one achieves a high position in the present day American medicine just because of brain and skills exist, they are rather small.

      Yes that may be - I personally don't watch him - he and his show are a sick joke, but he has lot of 'followers' - mostly women it seems.

      Point is often people that like him and even ones that dislike him say he's a brilliant surgeon.

      I'm saying : where's the evidence of his brilliance in SURGERY? ( surgical operations, NOT directorships, board memberships, lecturing etc )
      Not that he hasn't or cant do surgery, there are plenty of surgeons that can do that.

      Brilliant means the best of the best in my mind.

      How do they know he's that good?

      Its often said so it must be true?????

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      • #48
        Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
        Yes that may be - I personally don't watch him - he and his show are a sick joke, but he has lot of 'followers' - mostly women it seems.

        Point is often people that like him and even ones that dislike him say he's a brilliant surgeon.

        I'm saying : where's the evidence of his brilliance in SURGERY? ( surgical operations, NOT directorships, board memberships, lecturing etc )
        Not that he hasn't or cant do surgery, there are plenty of surgeons that can do that.

        Brilliant means the best of the best in my mind.

        How do they know he's that good?

        Its often said so it must be true?????
        Exactly my point. I don't watch him either (I don't have TV), but I did check one or two short videos on the Internet, as I did watch one or two Oprah shows when I had TV and it was "Now I am thin, now I am fat, now I am thin, now I am fat."
        But yes, many women and some real, big brown/black pigs like them both.
        Last edited by anna5; 04-11-2013, 07:42 AM.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by EagleRiverDee View Post

          This is his bio at Columbia: Mehmet C. Oz, MD, FACS - Department of Surgery

          It's worth a look. I think it's pretty clear he's got the creds as a doctor.
          I see a short list of actual surgery and a huge list of directorships/chairmanships, associations, media awards, media appearances,
          writing articles, 11 books , co-written numerous medical articles, business, TV shows, etc,

          I assume this guy takes time to eat/sleep and spend some time for family, take holidays, exercise etc

          We are to believe he has dedicated time to hone brilliant surgical skills also has time to maintain these brilliant skillls ( not just any run of the mill surgeon - but brilliant).

          That list is just evidence he spends his time networking brilliantly.

          I would much prefer a dedicated and experienced surgeon work on me - rather than one that needs to get to a media or business appointment

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          • #50
            Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
            I see a short list of actual surgery and a huge list of directorships/chairmanships, associations, media awards, media appearances,
            writing articles, 11 books , co-written numerous medical articles, business, TV shows, etc,

            I assume this guy takes time to eat/sleep and spend some time for family, take holidays, exercise etc

            We are to believe he has dedicated time to hone brilliant surgical skills also has time to maintain these brilliant skillls ( not just any run of the mill surgeon - but brilliant).

            That list is just evidence he spends his time networking brilliantly.

            I would much prefer a dedicated and experienced surgeon work on me - rather than one that needs to get to a media or business appointment
            Very little can be added.

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            • #51
              The most celebrated college professors do important research and are on committees. It is an illusion that their jobs involve mostly teaching.

              It is no doubt true that all the committees Dr. Oz runs and all the PR work he does for the hospital is important. But that in itself doesn't make him a better surgeon.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                The most celebrated college professors do important research and are on committees. It is an illusion that their jobs involve mostly teaching.

                It is no doubt true that all the committees Dr. Oz runs and all the PR work he does for the hospital is important. But that in itself doesn't make him a better surgeon.
                It doesn't make him a better surgeon and ... there is a huge amount of fiction there. There is no work for the committees, papers are written by someone else, research is done by someone else etc., decent human beings and wonderful doctors are terrorized "look what can be done, if one really wants," patients suffer when terrorized medical professionals are forced to "produce," etc.
                The "wonderful" FSU had a concept "stachanovism" derived from a name of a guy named Stachanov who allegedly produced some 14 times more than other workers. Yes, it was fiction. In reality, the whole thing was doctored, there was manipulation with data, there were invisible hands, etc.
                There is a good Polish film by Andrzej Wajda (Man of Marble - Gold Palm at Cannes) about a short, very short period of "stachanovism" in Poland. The Poles got rid of this nonsense, which the Soviets tried to impose, very, very, very fast.
                American "Ozism" is equally ugly and dangerous.
                Last edited by anna5; 04-10-2013, 07:31 AM.

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                • #53
                  I think he should practice what he preaches... he shills a lot of crap on that show. But really, are we still all so stupid to believe shit like goji berries or whatever will make us thin? He has an audience of fat middle aged women who are not aging well. Obviously his advice is not effective.

                  More people need to think about where they get their advice- in the words of Doctor Phil, sorry... but "How's that working for you...and the rest of the followers?".

                  If I want to look good, I'll take advice from fit people with fit followers. New crossfit gym last night full of muscular women. Now I'm going to LISTEN to their advice. It obviously works.

                  Mostly I think people want easy answers.

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                  • #54
                    On the diet site I use there are lots of those middle-aged women always asking questions about the latest scam he is promoting. They get terribly upset when people tell them it's a scam. It's rude and unsupportive to tell people something is a scam when they really want to hear it is a magic pill or superfood that will bring them health and fitness at their ideal bodyweight without making any changes in their lives.

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                    • #55
                      The funny thing is that the path to health IS ACTUALLY EASY. I am now wearing size 10 jeans. I eat more than ever. I work out less than ever. I love the food I eat.

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                      • #56
                        never mind - my bad

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by kathyd View Post
                          how did he go from selling out on TV to those kind of accusations?
                          No, these are not accusations.
                          He is a highly dishonest person who blossoms in the reality of American medicine (and media) and I am supposed to believe in what he, a highly dishonest person, is peddling. Sure.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                            The most celebrated college professors do important research and are on committees. It is an illusion that their jobs involve mostly teaching.

                            It is no doubt true that all the committees Dr. Oz runs and all the PR work he does for the hospital is important. But that in itself doesn't make him a better surgeon.
                            With all the committee/business/media/PR commitments Oz has I cant see many time for real research - yes others could do all the work he skims over the written report and then has hes name added to the list of authors.

                            Committees/PR/Chairmanships is the work of managers/administrators and politicians - these people no have time to actually get there hands dirty, they have people do the messy/detailed stuff and have a completed job handed to them. The professional politician delivers a speach like he knows the intricate details of the subject hes talking about, the key word is 'delivers' ( the speach), he has a speach writer that writes it, research staff that write up briefings for him/her, many support people in the background, they all help him look professional, intelligent, grounded/in-touch. Its all an illusion but a powerful one.

                            If all the evidence has been provided in this forum of his surgical 'brilliance' then I would guess his actual cutting/shutting skills are probably marginal as he hadn't actually spent time to practice them - and in fact is more interested in the committees and exploiting business opportunitities than the actual surgery ( but continuing some surgery work looks great for his PR - I just hope theres a very experienced surgeon that's actually the lead surgeon in his operations)

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                              On the diet site I use there are lots of those middle-aged women always asking questions about the latest scam he is promoting. They get terribly upset when people tell them it's a scam. It's rude and unsupportive to tell people something is a scam when they really want to hear it is a magic pill or superfood that will bring them health and fitness at their ideal bodyweight without making any changes in their lives.
                              stop trying to promote your weirdo diet on them, weirdo
                              beautiful
                              yeah you are

                              Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                              lol

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
                                With all the committee/business/media/PR commitments Oz has I cant see many time for real research - yes others could do all the work he skims over the written report and then has hes name added to the list of authors.

                                Committees/PR/Chairmanships is the work of managers/administrators and politicians - these people no have time to actually get there hands dirty, they have people do the messy/detailed stuff and have a completed job handed to them. The professional politician delivers a speach like he knows the intricate details of the subject hes talking about, the key word is 'delivers' ( the speach), he has a speach writer that writes it, research staff that write up briefings for him/her, many support people in the background, they all help him look professional, intelligent, grounded/in-touch. Its all an illusion but a powerful one.

                                If all the evidence has been provided in this forum of his surgical 'brilliance' then I would guess his actual cutting/shutting skills are probably marginal as he hadn't actually spent time to practice them - and in fact is more interested in the committees and exploiting business opportunitities than the actual surgery ( but continuing some surgery work looks great for his PR - I just hope theres a very experienced surgeon that's actually the lead surgeon in his operations)
                                Good comment. Most people who never did RESEARCH (not googling) for example, have no idea how time consuming this activity is and how much focus (and time) activities, such as research and scientific/scholarly writing, when serious and authentic, require. One just can't fill an hour between sessions of charming the audience and selling whatever, with any meaningful research and serious writing. It doesn't work this way: 9 am. - Oprah, 11 am - selling product, 1pm power lunch, 3pm Dr. Oz, 5pm - the world's most important research, 6pm - Costume Ball at the Met, 11 pm - the world most important writing. Friday - cutting people.
                                Pure and very damaging fiction.

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