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  • #31
    Yes and when they take away the right to an abortion because they pandered to people who thought their Way was better than yours, you loose freedom. Soon this can become something else and again and again and soon you're wearing a veil and are not allowed to read for fear of "ideas" .
    Primal since April 2012 Male 6' 3" SW 345lbs CW 240lbs GW 220lbs and when I get there I am getting a utlikilt. This one http://www.utilikilts.com/company/pr...ilts/workmans/ actually.

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    • #32
      Ohhh, newborn Congrants man
      You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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      • #33
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        • #34
          Sometimes I wish I could un-know some things(ignorance is bliss) but then I think about my son. I am 38 years old and I've known things were fucked up since I was about 12. I've learned or been forced to make too many compromises over the years. What I'm realizing now is if you are not living your vision or living by your beliefs you are not really living at all. This is what I'm trying to get back to. Next to the birth of my son the happiest and most peaceful(inner peace)time in my life was when I was homeless and roaming the Country. I ate out of dumpsters and slept outside on the ground most nights for about three straight years and I loved it. Let me point out that this was something I chose to do. I did not drink or do drugs back then. Kinda weird because I drink a lot now that I am an active member of society. It's been a long time since my days as a vagrant and the quality of my life has been in steady decline ever since rejoining the working(slaving)world. I need to find some kind of balance between the two worlds that I've known

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          • #35
            Soon this can become something else and again and again and soon you're wearing a veil and are not allowed to read for fear of "ideas" .
            But why would corporate america want women, who are employees and consumers, relegated to a life of subserviance? And has there been progress to re-outlaw abortion?

            The corporation that makes birth control pills is not going to let birth control be outlawed. They have more money than the nutjobs. Victoria's Secret (limited brands) is not going to go for the production of burquas.

            I think although a lot of TV time is given to pandering to the ultra moral conservatives, very few policy decisions go their way. I mean, the biggest policy decision impacting women's health is that insurers have to cover birth control and the conservative organizations are fighting that clause. Of course insurers want to cover birth control; it beats paying for woman to have a baby.

            Politicians are not going to risk losing support from corporations to appease a small number of zealots that are dumb enough to believe politicians are going to work for them.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
              But why would corporate america want women, who are employees and consumers, relegated to a life of subserviance?
              I think you will find that corporate america want everyone to live a life of subservianvce as long as it ups thier profits
              Got to keep the peasants in-line after all
              You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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              • #37
                I feel both the paranoia and the freedom from the whole mess at the same time. Stuff like the grass-fed meat and the small organic farms and eating healthy so I don't need medical treatment for chronic degenerative diseases caused by franken foods makes me feel free and empowered.

                My poor boyfriend feels so trapped because there's no way to safely plan for a secure retirement, and corporate work really truly does suck. You cannot simply play by the rules, do the best you can and have any kind of financial security anymore. I consider it my duty to strive as little as possible and be prepared to live out on the trails or Slab City when I'm old. I save as much as I can with the full understanding there's a chance it'll all be worthless someday. What else can I do?

                Once people are ready to pick up their pitchforks, I'll be ready to join them, but we're all trapped in the web, and as we twist and squirm we tighten the binds. We're not ready yet to break the binds because not enough of us have found the solution. Too many are trapped in the whole left/right argument, which is exactly what "they" want.

                You just have to do whatever you can and let go of the worry over the outcome. People out there are living far worse lives than I am and they are still alive and able to feel happiness.
                Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                • #38
                  The whole "right wing" "left wing" thing is BS. I don't know all the gory details of Canadian politics but in the US there really isn't a practical difference. Both "sides" are driven by religion - their faith in control. Both sides are "guilty" of the same crime - trying to do what they think is right. Both do most of their harm through unintended consequences. Both use the harm their actions create to justify taking even MORE action, which of course causes more unintended consequences and therefore justifies yet more.

                  In aviation there is a term, Pilot-Induced Oscillation...it's what happens when a pilot tries to make an airplane do something, it does MORE than they expected, so they try to actively reverse what they just caused, which in turn does MORE in the other direction than they expected, so they try to actively reverse the reversal ad nausium into the ground. Planes crash and people die due to Pilot-Induced Oscillations, and the ironic part is that the oscillations often simply go away... complete cure... if the pilot simply lets go of the controls. Well guess what? Politicians NEVER let go of the controls, which means the oscillations will never go away.

                  Example:

                  Modern mega-agriculture can be traced directly back to the New Deal, a "left wing" enterprise, and the subsequent "fixes".

                  In the 1920s agricultural output skyrocketed due to improved farm equipment and newly available pesticides and the like. The result was a short-term overproduction which crashed food prices and would have put a lot of farmers out of business. Had things been allowed to run their course we would now have fewer and smaller farms, lower land prices, less agricultural damage to land, no incentive for Monsanto et al to monkey with crops, and in general we would have been eating the same sorts of foods we ate before, but that food would've been produced on less arable land by fewer farmers. However, the Democrats saw farms going out of business as a crisis, and farmers as a group deserving help, and so federal subsidies were invented, systems for artificially raising prices were created, new demand for crops was created, and in general the New Deal created the economic conditions and incentives necessary for modern factory farming, modified crops, and industrial food production to take over.

                  And now those SAME democrats are on the forefront of pushing for additional regulations because of factory farming, modified crops, and industrial food production. And you know what? Those regs will push things even FURTHER out of control.

                  It comes down to this: People trying to fix what they don't understand, and then trying to fix the fix, and then fix the fix the fix and you get the idea. Every attempted fix makes things worse, which in turn justifies a bigger fix to fix the last fix.

                  Republicans do the exact same thing of course. The exact same thing. The difference only in WHAT the various politicians don't understand.

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                  • #39
                    You just have to do whatever you can and let go of the worry over the outcome. People out there are living far worse lives than I am and they are still alive and able to feel happiness.
                    Well put.

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                    Check out my blog. Hope to share lots of great recipes and ideas!

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                    • #40
                      I was raised by disappointed and disillusioned parents who never once thought that the system we are living in was designed for their benefit. So for me eating primally wasn't a big wake up call, at least not politically. Though in terms of my personal health it was.

                      We were born into this evil machine that is determined to turn every living thing into a product to be bought or sold for profit no mater the cost of human suffering or the effect it has on this beautiful unique planet we inhabit. I believe there is very little we can do to change it.
                      So what gives me solace and peace? Nature. And looking at the really big picture. The land we are standing on has had many incarnations, desert, glacier, forest etc. We humans are insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

                      The important thing is to be kind to one another, spend time in nature and be truly present with your new little one.
                      Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                      • #41
                        Pilot-Induced Oscillation - that seem like a very good analagy - I think the same works with lots of other examples - like boom and bust house prices, boom and bust economy.

                        So, the solution? Kill all polititions? Find a competent person, ask them 'Do you want to be in charge?' If they say yes then kill them, if they say 'NO F-IN WAY' give them the job for 2 years then find another sucker
                        You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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                        • #42
                          You are definitely not alone in this.

                          Ever since I started reading about paleo and primal, I have become very distrustful of the government and the medical system as well. Every time I get one of the repulsive emails from Kaiser saying "It's January, time to lose weight: Healthy Pasta Recipes!" I develop a twitch in my eye muscles. >.>

                          I've become that person who tries to tell people that animal fat isn't bad, that fiber isn't required for regularity, that grains are fillers to keep us complacent, that sell by and expiration dates are shortened to make us buy more quickly. And if calcium from milk is so mandatory, why are we the only species on the planet that consumes it after childhood, and why do we have the highest milk consumption yet also the highest osteoporosis numbers in the world? And why... and why... And and and?!

                          Going out to eat is a chore, social events are a nightmare, where I am caught between people pitying me and a sometimes irresistible urge to binge because the bad foods smell so good. I can only resist by reminding myself of how evil and insidious it all is. I can't stand to eat poultry anywhere unless I know the source, ditto pork.

                          I am constantly judged by everyone I know about how I eat, way more than I ever was when I was shoveling down fast food and endless soda. >.< And don't even bring up the fact that I don't drink alcohol anymore, that is just TOO WEIRD.

                          Has it ruined my life? Sometimes I think it has, but I am grateful for it. Better to see things as they really are than continue to drink the literal and figurative kool-aid.
                          yay!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Tribal Rob View Post
                            ... So, the solution? ...
                            The first step in dealing with it is to recognize the problem. Unfortunately most people see the laws, see the problems, see more new laws, and think "new laws = productive legislature = good".

                            And yes, it works with MANY examples. Consider the "Drug War" ...

                            First you start with prohibition....which for the record started at the local and state level before the 18th amendment was proposed.
                            Then you get this: NY Times article from 1914 (note they are talking about local prohibitions, not the 18th amendment)
                            Then you get universal prohibition (stronger control)
                            Then you have the FBI alcohol wars
                            Then there was a pull-back of a sort, but you had already started the drug war at that point...
                            Eventually you have tens of thousands of people dying every year (60,000 in Mexico alone from 2006-2012) , trillions of dollars spent, local law enforcement militarized, huge swaths of the population with criminal records, huge power grabs by various groups, disregard of civil liberties people took for granted 100 years ago, on and on....

                            But Prohibition wasn't an evil plot. It was a movement of people trying to help people. They were doing what they thought was right, and when the result wasn't what they expected they did MORE right, and more, always chasing the ball and trying to exert control.


                            The solution starts with how you raise your kids. Do you tell them, "if it doesn't work, try harder", or do you tell them, "if it doesn't work, figure out why"?

                            How it ends... I don't know. I used to think a universal sunset of all laws was the answer. Just say that every law sunsets in 5 or 10 years. If after 5 or 10 years it's still a Hot Issue it will be debated again and maybe instead of just adding layers of law people will try to fix the original problems. If it isn't a Hot Issue it gives politicians a face-saving way of letting bad ideas die. Now I don't think that would be enough.

                            Maybe reinstate the draft, but instead of drafting military conscripts we draft representatives. Treat it like jury duty where a big pool of potential representatives are called, there is a selection process (popular vote but the only choices are the draftees?), and the people chosen to serve get a pay check for the 6 years or whatever of their term and everyone else goes home. It wouldn't be perfect but it would be better than what we have today.
                            Last edited by Him; 02-04-2013, 12:57 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Tribal Rob View Post
                              Communisim dosn't however seem to work on a large scale and I have massive problems with the lack of freedom that seems to come hand in had with state control (see our last labour govenment and accusations of Nanny State), which seems to breed in people an expectation that everything should be done for you, which I am against, we need to take personal resposibility for our own action, but the state should be there to provide a safety net if we fall.
                              As Marx pointed out Capitalism is a powerful thing. It'll uproot everything that gets in its way. And often that's not a bad thing. Most traditional societies, for example, aren't good to women. And lives can be short, brutish and filled with superstition.

                              But the idea has taken hold that Capitalism is some sort of self-correcting machine, that any downside, like the housing bubble or Great Depression, MUST be the result of government meddling. This view is no accident, it's promotion is well-funded. And it's found it's most receptive audience among folks with a religious bent, who need infallible icons -- capitalism, Founding Fathers, Consitution. People who need stone tablets.

                              I'm 44 and grew up with history textbooks that still had a New Deal slant. I was actually taught, believe it or not, that America was great (history texts are always propoganda) because we weren't fully Communist or fully Capitalist, that we had a "mixed economy" and that was the way forward. This, of course, when away in the 80's.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by whitebear View Post
                                Sometimes I wish I could un-know some things(ignorance is bliss) but then I think about my son. I am 38 years old and I've known things were fucked up since I was about 12. I've learned or been forced to make too many compromises over the years. What I'm realizing now is if you are not living your vision or living by your beliefs you are not really living at all. This is what I'm trying to get back to. Next to the birth of my son the happiest and most peaceful(inner peace)time in my life was when I was homeless and roaming the Country. I ate out of dumpsters and slept outside on the ground most nights for about three straight years and I loved it. Let me point out that this was something I chose to do. I did not drink or do drugs back then. Kinda weird because I drink a lot now that I am an active member of society. It's been a long time since my days as a vagrant and the quality of my life has been in steady decline ever since rejoining the working(slaving)world. I need to find some kind of balance between the two worlds that I've known
                                When I worked in a public library, I had to deal with lots of homeless people who tended to be men. Many of them had alcohol issues, others had mental health issues and still others were people who had either chosen to be homeless or were forced into it. I realized that it was a viable lifestyle choice for some people and I envied them their freedom. Right now I am wasting time at a job I hate, with people I care little for, for a boss who is diagnosable, and getting paid half of what I am worth. Tonight I will go home to a cold old house that needs a lot of work we can't afford to do and worry about having enough money to retire on (I am 48 and if I am going to do anything about it, it has to be now), but knowing that if I put more money into an account it probably won't be there when I need it anyway. These are not things a homeless person worries about. Their needs are a lot more immediate and I think a bit more real. Talk about living in the moment.

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