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  • #16
    Out grow it ?

    Originally posted by EagleRiverDee View Post
    I think kids can be naturally unkind. I mean, Lord of the Flies unkind. It sounds like in this instance, that was you. I assume you outgrew that.
    Serious, He is here to practice his writing skills or is a forum jumper- no mr.Perfidy did not out grow it, give me a break,
    Raise grass fed bison all natural. trying to gage this comunity to see if their is any intrest?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
      I still feel guilty, definitely. Like I said, I think it's the origin of my hatred of wealth. So you think that guilt is a force that would so intensely impress something upon my young brain?

      Interesting...How do people treat the topic of the homeless? On internet forums I read mostly canned narrative Left or Right or worthless platitudes...in real life, most of the people I know are not mainstream and have been or are friends with homeless and homeless types, so, that's not a good way to set the standard.
      Lol! Well, I work right next door to the largest homeless shelter in my city, so I witness a range of reactions. The prevailing reaction, among my middle-class co-workers (I am, at best, lowest middle class), generally seem to physically avoid the homeless and complain about having to avoid the dirty street-people when they go outside, cussing them on the street, but when we're inside, they talk about how sad and unfortunate those people are and how much they do to help them (the liberals say this). The conservatives just cuss the homeless on the street and in the office.

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      • #18
        Kids hate all sort of things and people for no good reason. You didn't do anything back then to sabotage them, just chalk it up to childhood irrationality and stop worrying about it. I once tried to drown my baby sister if it made you feel any better, so did some of my friends with their siblings, apparently. Children are evil little bastards.
        F 28/5'4/100 lbs

        "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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        • #19
          I think I know the feeling that you're talking about. It's like a blend of disgust and irritation, directed at someone who the sight of just makes your blood boil, for no apparent reason? This is terrible, but I have that with one of my best mates. He's the most amazing guy, but if I spent too much time with him he drives me bananas, and it's because he's too subservient. He's too good, too nice, and eventually it puts me in a state of dis-ease because by comparison I feel hard and cruel (and seriously, if you knew me in person, I'm not like that at all).

          Some people who are very vulnerable are very needy and if you're sensitive you feel that need more than emotionally or intellectually. You feel it almost like an energy, and it's draining. I can give and give and give to some people, but not to others, and it's not based on who they are, it's based on what I feel when I'm around them.
          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

          - Ray Peat

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          • #20
            There are definitely individuals that I hate with a sour disgust on sight of them- eye contact with them is unsettling and the sound of their voice is always enraging. It is not motivated by what you are talking about though, some kind of exaggerated value and humanity or something- it's the opposite. There are types of people that are spiteful, glib, smug, self-satisfied little smirking bitches- when I watch them in groups I see how they just poison and menace and terrify and diminish everyone around them, but when I present my objections to such people to these groups they affect, they always act like I am insane, ignorant, mean, dumb, and arbitrary, like how could I possibly not love that guy?! I just attribute it to instinctual tribal personality hygiene; in a free environment where I was not thrice-surveilled, I would find ways to lead such people into the wildnerness and forget them there.
            "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

            Jack london, "Before Adam"

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            • #21
              but how I feel about these kids is not that feeling. There's more like, crushing shame attached to my memory of their faces, but mingled with sour hatred and rejection. Weird stuff.

              I'm a peripheral anarcho-capitalist, which is to say, I think that no one is right who tries to make me do anything with force. I disagree and argue often on free-market/an-cap forums with fellow anarchists because they are essentially pretending, wannabe rich masturbators who imagine that the pursuit of wealth is some great and noble calling, ignoring the fact that wealth as it exists is rooted in monopolist legacies of sword-murdering land-hoarder aristocracies and their profiteer merchant collaborators. I have a very negative idea of pursuit of wealth and of being wealthy, and attribute it to my experience with this memory of these kids.
              "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

              Jack london, "Before Adam"

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                There are types of people that are spiteful, glib, smug, self-satisfied little smirking bitches- when I watch them in groups I see how they just poison and menace and terrify and diminish everyone around them
                Eek. Luckily I don't meet people like that very often.

                But I was referring to the feelings that you experienced as a child towards the emaciated kids? My pal doesn't have a sense of exaggerated value and humanity - it's completely genuine. What unsettles me is his energetic need.
                Last edited by YogaBare; 02-06-2013, 12:35 AM.
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post

                  I'm a peripheral anarcho-capitalist, which is to say, I think that no one is right who tries to make me do anything with force. I disagree and argue often on free-market/an-cap forums with fellow anarchists because they are essentially pretending, wannabe rich masturbators who imagine that the pursuit of wealth is some great and noble calling, ignoring the fact that wealth as it exists is rooted in monopolist legacies of sword-murdering land-hoarder aristocracies and their profiteer merchant collaborators. I have a very negative idea of pursuit of wealth and of being wealthy, and attribute it to my experience with this memory of these kids.
                  Interesting that you've oscillated to the other extreme. There's nothing inherently wrong with money, but some people can't handle it - it becomes a drug to them.
                  "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                  In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                  - Ray Peat

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                  • #24
                    But there is in fact something inherently wrong with money; it's just made up. A few families who cartelized the right to print and lend it just arbitrarily assign it to the most contemptible caste of mankind ever in history (bureacratic government classes). Therefore, the pursuit of wealth must only ever mean the pursuit of the approval of the monopolist money cartel. Therefore money is in fact nothing more than a representation of investment in the aggression of the financier agenda.
                    "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                    Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                    • #25
                      But I was referring to the feelings that you experienced as a child towards the emaciated kids? My pal doesn't have a sense of exaggerated value and humanity - it's completely genuine. What unsettles me is his energetic need.
                      I am not saying that you friend has this sense, but rather that you are attributing feelings of anger or discomfort or whatever to the perception of exaggerated humanity and value, whereas I experience "irrational" (instinctual and entirely logically built on non-verbal cues) discomfort and anger when I percieve the attributes that I described.
                      "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                      Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                        But there is in fact something inherently wrong with money; it's just made up. A few families who cartelized the right to print and lend it just arbitrarily assign it to the most contemptible caste of mankind ever in history (bureacratic government classes). Therefore, the pursuit of wealth must only ever mean the pursuit of the approval of the monopolist money cartel. Therefore money is in fact nothing more than a representation of investment in the aggression of the financier agenda.
                        Of course money is made up - like every tier of our society, and every aspect of social order. I'm gathering that you're a Libertarian?

                        Money is simply an entity that allows us to allocate a set value to items so that we can trade in a wider network than a bartering system permits.

                        Blaming money for greed is like blaming ice cream for making us fat.
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                          I am not saying that you friend has this sense, but rather that you are attributing feelings of anger or discomfort or whatever to the perception of exaggerated humanity and value, whereas I experience "irrational" (instinctual and entirely logically built on non-verbal cues) discomfort and anger when I percieve the attributes that I described.
                          You might be missing what I'm saying. You were initially talking about a deep, inexplicable feeling that you thought could be archetypal (primitive). I think that feeling could have been your sensing something from those kids that goes beyond rational thought and is more about subtle energy.
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • #28
                            Money is simply an entity that allows us to allocate a set value to items so that we can trade in a wider network than a bartering system permits.
                            nah. Before the Federal Reserve Act this was so in America, but now that centralized banks lend artifically created money to governments (that have no right to borrow on anyone's behalf and use guns to collect interest on the debt and use their population and its labor potential as collateral), money is literally evil. It represents the coercive power of the aggression of a specific inbred class that maintains its power through intrigue and warfare, and is awarded to those who successfully maintain the power of this class as a signal to the threatened classes that they have acquired some of the violent power of the finance pederast dynastics.

                            A dollar is just a ticket that says, "you owe your masters $1.15 nigger- get to work." It is therefore inherently immoral and degrading to the human condition.
                            "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                            Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                              nah. Before the Federal Reserve Act this was so in America, but now that centralized banks lend artifically created money to governments (that have no right to borrow on anyone's behalf and use guns to collect interest on the debt and use their population and its labor potential as collateral), money is literally evil. It represents the coercive power of the aggression of a specific inbred class that maintains its power through intrigue and warfare, and is awarded to those who successfully maintain the power of this class as a signal to the threatened classes that they have acquired some of the violent power of the finance pederast dynastics.

                              A dollar is just a ticket that says, "you owe your masters $1.15 nigger- get to work." It is therefore inherently immoral and degrading to the human condition.
                              I get your point, but I don't agree. Money is not the evil thing - it's a tool that is used in detrimental ways. It's like saying "That machete kills people - beware the evil axe!" It's the person holding the machete that does the killing. Or a better example maybe is a nuclear weapon - it's made of components that could be used for good, but they have been harnessed in a way that is massively destructive. Still though, the weapon is not evil. Someone pushes the button.

                              I have issues with the word "evil" anyway.
                              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                              - Ray Peat

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                              • #30
                                that analogy only works if the machete was forged in the fires of Mt Doom out of the ashes of petroleum drowned arab children. In which case, yes, it is not possible that it can do good, because it is going to go from Sauron's hand to the armory of his favored servants to the lieutenants of these minions to the scum mercenaries burning villages to the vengeful fist of victim classes.
                                "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                                Jack london, "Before Adam"

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