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  • What do you say to people who say, "Oh, it's like Atkins"?

    I've never officially "dieted" before, except for a few weeks trying WW. (One of my main issues: Packaged and chain-restaurant meals were easy to look up in the PointsTracker, but calculating points for actual homemade food was really confusing.) I've never tried Atkins and I don't really know what it is, except that it's low-carb. So I was a little taken aback when I tried to explain PB to friends and they immediately said, "Oh, it's like Atkins. I tried that, but I started craving carbs." Does anyone have a quick response to that, other than, "No it's not"? I don't want to sound uneducated about my new WOE, because that makes me sound like a wacko crash dieter... but I am not familiar enough with the other "diets" to know how to explain the difference. Thanks!!

  • #2
    As far as I know Atkins is low carb yes, and primal doesn't have to be.
    But I think atkins also was OK with artificial sweeteners, and low carb bars and crap like that.
    We just eat real whole, unprocessed foods on primal

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    • #3
      Atkins is a diet - the structured kind that has phases and aren't meant to be long term, and are strictly intended to help people lose weight. Paleo isn't a diet in those terms. There aren't any phases with cheesy names, and weight loss is only one of the many benefits of paleo. Paleo is also a long-term WOE, and isn't necessarily low-carb. I think most paleos eat on the lower end of the carb curve, but it varies per individual. Also, Atkins includes grains, artificial sweeteners, seed oils, diet sodas, processed foods, and all kinds of crap that paleos restrict or eliminate. They have very little in common, except that paleo is sometimes low carb.

      Not exactly a quick response, but hopefully I've highlighted enough of the differences to make it easier to explain.

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      • #4
        Dammit, Ayla, you beat me to it!

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        • #5
          Thanks, everybody! I have bought into the whole idea of PB being long term (i.e., still going to do it for other reasons after I reach my weight goals), but somehow that doesn't make it easier to explain. People seem to want to boil it down to what you "can't" eat. Therefore if you "can't" eat carbs on Atkins, this sounds like Atkins. UGH.

          It's not that I "can't" eat that slice of bread/ tortilla/ chip, or that I desperately want to eat it but am budgeting my bread/ tortilla/ chip allotment for a later time. I am just choosing not to eat it completely, in favor of other food (like bacon. and kerrygold butter. and avocados. mmmmm) Turns out that walking past the candy jar isn't hard if you actually don't want the candy.

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          • #6
            Maybe just say you are avoiding foods that don't make you feel good.

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            • #7
              Luckily I don't ever have to worry about anyone saying something so offensive to me
              Make America Great Again

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              • #8
                Primal is more of a lifestyle, Atkins is a diet. Primal encompasses much more than just the food you eat. It is also about exercise, sleep and stress management. (And other stuff I am leaving out.)

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                • #9
                  I'm tired of the misconceptions of Atkins around here. Atkins like PB is supposed to be a lifestyle change and honestly they are not that dis-simular. I did Atkins years ago with great success. I lost about 80lbs and kept it off for about a year. The only reason it failed is me. The program did not fail. Atkins recommends whole foods(not Whole Foods the store)and requires that you add at least some kind of exercise to your life. Atkins is not the bullshit products at the supermarket. Once you reach your goal weight you are supposed to match the amount of carbs you eat to your lifestyle and activity level to maintain that weight. Sounds kinda familiar to me. Read the book before you say something based on speculation and hear/say.
                  Last edited by whitebear; 01-29-2013, 09:18 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by whitebear View Post
                    I'm tired of the misconceptions of Atkins around here. Atkins like PB is supposed to be a lifestyle change and honestly they are not that dis-simular. I did Atkins years ago with great success. I lost about 80lbs and kept it off for about a year. The only reason it failed is me. The program did not fail. Atkins recommends whole foods(not Whole Foods the store)and requires that you add at least some kind of exercise to your life. Atkins is not the bullshit products at the supermarket. Once you reach your goal weight you are supposed to match the amount of carbs you eat to your lifestyle and activity level to maintain that weight. Sounds kinda familiar to me. Read the book before you say something based on speculation and hear/say.
                    I just looked it up on their website, and they are promoting their Atkins products. I don't know how those can be real foods.

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                    • #11
                      Products - Atkins

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                        I just looked it up on their website, and they are promoting their Atkins products. I don't know how those can be real foods.
                        Of coarse the website is promoting the products. That is not what Dr. Atkins plan intended. Unfortunately it is a consequence. You can follow Atkins without any of those lab made fake foods. Take a look at some of his actual work. It's not perfect but it's 100 times better than a SAD.

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                        • #13
                          The ORIGINAL Atkins was very different from the Atkins of today... no products at all I believe... except artificial sweeteners?
                          The branding of the "Atkins Diet" and the ensuing "low carb craze" with all of the products kind of ruined it.

                          That is the disjunction between the Atkins theory and Atkins in current practice (for the most part).

                          I prefer the PB/Paleo for the much higher emphasis on whole foods rather than products ALWAYS.
                          “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                          ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                          And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                          • #14
                            Oh yeah, I've been on a paleo rollercoaster for at least 15 years so trust me, I Know the similarities. I've been following this movement since before there was the Primal Blueprint. If it were not for my jaunt with Atkins I might not have discovered paleo.

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                            • #15
                              OP, I think I would start by saying, "You're sort of on the right track. Both Atkins and Primal advise eating a lower percentage of carbohydrates than the government and most doctors do."

                              After that, depending on how much more you want to tell them, you could talk about how Primal emphasizes grass fed beef and wholesomely raised animals and animal products as opposed to CAFO. Emphasizes organic as opposed to conventional. Teaches about fatty fish and organ meat. Advises against grains and legumes, etc. How Primal emphasizes the need for healthy fats. Then if you really want to get into it, talk about lifting, moving, sleeping, sunlight, and play.

                              Simplistically: We need healthy fats for our brains and for energy. We need protein for muscle. Veggies can supply a few nutrients we won't get from meat and fish. Some women need a bit more carbs and a little less fat to feel good. And for people who don't want to live a life without pizza (for eg.) - there's 80/20.

                              It's tough for people to understand sometimes. I had a neighbor who had made way too many mashed potatoes and wasn't sure if I "could" eat them when he brought some over to me. Sure, they grow out of the ground. But they were made with cream and butter (he's still seeing it as a diet). My tribe loves cream and butter - the potato is just a delivery system. I think I may have traumatized him for life.
                              "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                              Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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