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  • Do you ever do anything impulsive with the hope you might fail?

    Well, do you? I do crazy shit all the time, with the expectation that I might get fired from my job, which I quite love. I'm glad I don't get fired, but it's sort of like a test : if I do this crazy shit and things are still kosher, then it's meant to be How bout you?

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    I think some people cheat on their partners for a reason that's not dissimilar. Kind of a sense of reckless self sabotage, and if it works out okay then there's a resulting elated feeling that comes with survival. And then you keep returning for the anticipation, and the high.

    In my case I went through a phase when I was younger where I used to drive really dangerously in the hope that I might crash..!
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • #3
      Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
      I think some people cheat on their partners for a reason that's not dissimilar. Kind of a sense of reckless self sabotage, and if it works out okay then there's a resulting elated feeling that comes with survival. And then you keep returning for the anticipation, and the high.

      In my case I went through a phase when I was younger where I used to drive really dangerously in the hope that I might crash..!
      Oh my! I'm in the phase where I drive dangerously slow... like a granny

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      • #4
        I do the crazy shit without the hope of failure.

        - Ride a Vespa, split the lanes, weave in and out of brain-dead cagers. I do not hope to fail.
        - Quit a high paying job to walk across the US. I wanted to succeed.
        - Quit a job because my paychecks bounced (4 times). Didn't have a job lined up. I had hope a better job would be there.
        - Forgot my rain gear on a backpack trip. Rained every day. I was determined to keep going no matter what. Best trip ever.
        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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        • #5
          I'm quitting my job to walk across America, too! I'm leaving in May. Any advice you wish you'd been given?
          My Walk From West Coast to East Coast

          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread81011.html

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          • #6
            I fail enough as it is when I'm not trying. Why the heck would I want to fail any more?
            5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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            • #7
              Mark did a post about this a while back. It's called akrasia:

              Akrasia, or Why You Act Against Your Own Better Judgment | Mark's Daily Apple

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              • #8
                No.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ljphalen View Post
                  I'm quitting my job to walk across America, too! I'm leaving in May. Any advice you wish you'd been given?
                  I think that everything I didn't know before I went became the wonderful discoveries along the way. Have a great time!
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by yodiewan View Post
                    Mark did a post about this a while back. It's called akrasia:

                    Akrasia, or Why You Act Against Your Own Better Judgment | Mark's Daily Apple
                    This is the most interesting topic I've ever seen Mark Sisson write about. It's a shame he doesn't expand more on it in that topic though. It seems like he left it unfinished.
                    Make America Great Again

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                    • #11
                      I once had an Anthony Robbins kick. In one of his books, he really did say something interesting that I never forgot - it was that when you repeatedly do self-sabotaging stuff/make self-sabotaging decisions, many times it is because your true self's inner desires are not aligned with the boots-on-the-ground immediate choices you are making.

                      For example: your deepest self wants to repair Harleys for a living. You, on the other hand, head off to dental school because 8000 members of your family, whom you love deeply and are great folks, are ALL happy-as-a-clam wonderful, capable dentists and they are all awaiting your graduation eagerly to say the least. But you juuuuust can't seem to get those grades up there and all that, get depressed, drink a lot, screw around, drag race with the beater, whatever. It would seem like you are on the fast track to Loserdom - but you are just at your deepest parts unhappy.

                      This is what came to my mind reading your OP, even tho you like your work.

                      P.S. One day, our suffering dentist-in-the-making meets a totally hot chick in class who seems to be having many of the same problems. So they go out on a date and.... she picks him up on a Harley. It doesn't take too many dates before they both realize that hogs are where it is at. So they ditch dental school to go to a completely different type of school, and eventually open their own shop. No idea if their romance endured, but they are the best of business partners and bike mechanics, and are the go-to shop in the tri-state area. And ridiculously happy in their work. (I love happy endings...)
                      I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Crabbcakes View Post
                        I once had an Anthony Robbins kick. In one of his books, he really did say something interesting that I never forgot - it was that when you repeatedly do self-sabotaging stuff/make self-sabotaging decisions, many times it is because your true self's inner desires are not aligned with the boots-on-the-ground immediate choices you are making.

                        For example: your deepest self wants to repair Harleys for a living. You, on the other hand, head off to dental school because 8000 members of your family, whom you love deeply and are great folks, are ALL happy-as-a-clam wonderful, capable dentists and they are all awaiting your graduation eagerly to say the least. But you juuuuust can't seem to get those grades up there and all that, get depressed, drink a lot, screw around, drag race with the beater, whatever. It would seem like you are on the fast track to Loserdom - but you are just at your deepest parts unhappy.

                        This is what came to my mind reading your OP, even tho you like your work.

                        P.S. One day, our suffering dentist-in-the-making meets a totally hot chick in class who seems to be having many of the same problems. So they go out on a date and.... she picks him up on a Harley. It doesn't take too many dates before they both realize that hogs are where it is at. So they ditch dental school to go to a completely different type of school, and eventually open their own shop. No idea if their romance endured, but they are the best of business partners and bike mechanics, and are the go-to shop in the tri-state area. And ridiculously happy in their work. (I love happy endings...)
                        What a great story! There are other things I'd rather do for a living, things I'm more passionate about, but my practical side won't let me step away from a job that provides me with health insurance, paid vacation, and a pension. I enjoy my job, but my position will certainly be obsolete within the next few years, due to advances in technology, so I'm working on the impractical, passionate stuff in the evenings and weekends. I've applied for another master's degree program, that would advance my prospects in my current field.... but I sort of hope I don't get accepted

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                        • #13
                          The majority of our self sabotage is unconscious because we're not aware of what our true thoughts, desires, and needs are.

                          If you're actually conscious that you're doing one thing, but hoping for a different outcome, then I would say you don't need to take failure as a "sign" that something's not right for you.

                          Make your own fate!
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                            The majority of our self sabotage is unconscious because we're not aware of what our true thoughts, desires, and needs are.

                            If you're actually conscious that you're doing one thing, but hoping for a different outcome, then I would say you don't need to take failure as a "sign" that something's not right for you.

                            Make your own fate!
                            True, true, I just wish that crafting my own fate could involve me having health insurance and a secure paycheck

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                              The majority of our self sabotage is unconscious because we're not aware of what our true thoughts, desires, and needs are.

                              If you're actually conscious that you're doing one thing, but hoping for a different outcome, then I would say you don't need to take failure as a "sign" that something's not right for you.

                              Make your own fate!
                              I agree. Robbins had some techniques for getting the unconscious up into the light, from down in the depths, just so that once you got to the point of recognizing them, you could then go and seize the day. I can't remember what they are.

                              But, on the other hand, if you do know what you want and need, and do not go there anyway, that is another different set of problems!
                              I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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