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    They say it is healthy. I am all good with the ethical side of Vegan. It is when they tell me it is healthy is where I have a problem and then it get's into the debate that I am well prepared for. I go into genetic expression, then how we have adapted, then what it has done for me/wife, my blood work changes....... eventually the get frustrated and I get called a name or unethical.

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    There's also the development of our large brain and simultaneously reduced gut size....
    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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    • #3
      What's so ethical about it? Plenty of creatures die to feed them too. Arguing isn't going to do any good so why bother. They're convinced they have found the perfect human diet. More bacon for us!
      “You may have thought you heard me say I wanted a lot of bacon and eggs, but what I said was: Give me all the bacon and eggs you have.” - Ron Swanson

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      • #4
        The stress of arguing with a vegan will eventually lead to your early demise. Walk away from it and do your own thing.
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        • #5
          LOL....debate is fun for me and the get so riled up it's just hard for me to resist!

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          • #6
            Zombies like vegans better than they like omnivores. They don't even mind if the vegans eat grain or soy. Be nice to vegans; they may be the next food source.
            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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            • #7
              It CAN be healthy if done with whole foods. Vegan only means no animal products, so it can essentially be done with french fries and soda.

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              • #8
                Well, I never really became vegetarian or vegan, but I love animals and had the moral dilemma - do we eat our friends? So for myself I answered it something like this. We don't eat creatures with whom we have close emotional contact, like dogs, cats, parrots, etc. Farm animals we have to treat good while they live. But there is nothing wrong to eat the meat and use the skins after they are dead. This is not an ideal world and lots has to be done about human treatment of those farm animals. I don't think we really need fox fur or mink coats, there are good quality and morally acceptable alternatives to that.
                We did not evolve into absolute herbavoires, maybe we could, but we did not. Why, we could be like horses - eat tons of grass, be strong, fast, beautiful! We are diferent wether we like it or not. Going against it harms us.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Darwin17 View Post
                  eventually the get frustrated and I get called a name or unethical.
                  I would not be able to stand talking to a person who starts calling names because they can't discuss things intelligently. (Not to imply that vegan aren't intelligent, rather, I expect people who want to have a debate to use facts, not name calling.) Congrats to you for keeping your cool! Fortunately, the only vegan I know is very well educated and very polite. We talk about diet now and then, but we've just agreed to do our own thing. She'll even bring treats in every once in a while, and she's nice enough to at least make them gluten free for me.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Darwin17 View Post
                    They say it is healthy. I am all good with the ethical side of Vegan. It is when they tell me it is healthy is where I have a problem and then it get's into the debate that I am well prepared for. I go into genetic expression, then how we have adapted, then what it has done for me/wife, my blood work changes....... eventually the get frustrated and I get called a name or unethical.
                    Everyone keeps talking about genetic expression and I'm curious to read these scientific articles on meat consumption causing positive genetic expression. Where are they?

                    Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                    There's also the development of our large brain and simultaneously reduced gut size....
                    Can I see the PROOF that our gut size reduced in size? Do you have the intestines of an early Hominini?

                    Its more likely that our gut size has been shorter all along and this limited physical feeding niche pushed us indirectly to survive.

                    A lot of woo woo and no concrete scientific evidence.
                    Last edited by cobalamin; 01-16-2013, 05:53 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Check out this dude. As far as I can tell he is a vegan and looks very healthy.

                      Vegan : Featured Athlete Frank Lalanne Video by Calisthenics
                      However I don't think is the typical vegan stereotype. Most I have met just look ill.
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                      • #12
                        If we speared and ate all the vegans we'd cut down on monocultural soya and grain fields with their pesticides, loss of biodiversity, fertilizer pollution, soil depletion, etc, etc.

                        Save the planet, spear a vegan.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Legbiter View Post
                          If we speared and ate all the vegans we'd cut down on monocultural soya and grain fields with their pesticides, loss of biodiversity, fertilizer pollution, soil depletion, etc, etc.

                          Save the planet, spear a vegan.
                          What's the n-6:n-3 ratio of industrial vegans?
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                          • #14
                            Supplement with cod liver oil to be on the safe side.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Richard Seekins View Post
                              Check out this dude. As far as I can tell he is a vegan and looks very healthy.

                              Vegan : Featured Athlete Frank Lalanne Video by Calisthenics
                              However I don't think is the typical vegan stereotype. Most I have met just look ill.
                              He states he's been Vegan for 4 months. I wonder what he was before. There's no way he just started getting stronger and cut like that just after 4 months.

                              Also, why do people seem to point out that we don't eat certain animals due to ethical reasons? There are cultures that eat dogs, cats, horses, goats, squirrels, various birds, rats, beaver, bears, and other creatures that would be considered cute and adorable. I'm against killing them for sport, but if you're going to eat them, then you may as well use all the parts including the fur/skin. Native Americans used every part of their kills for some purpose because they believed the animal spirit would not be able to rest if they didn't respect the life force of the animal by doing so.

                              It somewhat amuses me that Vegetarianism and Veganism have become more common place in a society where there's such a disconnect with the food we eat. I'm sure it would not be so prevalent if food were hard to come by and we had to hunt and care for our food. The only predator on the face of the planet that would choose to starve rather than kill an animal is a human. Yet plants are alive when you eat them (unless you cook them). Who's ethical now?

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