Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Into the Wild

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Into the Wild

    I watched this film and at first I was very sympathetic to the main character, and the film really moved me, but at the same time I can't help but think: what a dumbass. I'd love to know what the general consensus is here about Christopher McCandless and whether or not you enjoyed the film.


  • #2
    He certainly wasn't a dumbass. He took some calculated risks and things didn't work out. In the end he was poisoned by a fairly unknown fungus that was growing on some of the wild potato seeds he was eating, if I remember correctly. He survived alone in the Alaskan wilderness for several months. That's a very difficult thing to do.

    Comment


    • #3
      The bus he was living in is about 50 miles from my house. I've been there many times, although now the state has moved it to this side of the river because too many dumbass tourists were getting hurt trying to get there in summer when the water is highest.

      From an Alaskan's viewpoint, he was pretty stupid and got lucky on a few occasions. The only reason he lasted so long was because the river was too high for him to get back to the road. He was forced into survival mode. He lasted about as long as anyone would have under the circumstances. If he'd had a fishing pole, rifle, traps, all the licenses to use them and some good camping gear he could still be out there. Many people live in way more secluded spots than where he was at and do just fine.

      Want to read about a true "Into the Wild" story? read about River Mike, a good friend of mine... For River Mike Cranford, isolation is in-tent-ional - Fairbanks Daily News-Miner: Local News

      Comment


      • #4
        McCandless was a dumbass, IMO. I live in Alaska. He went into the area woefully unprepared. A map alone would have saved his life, as there was a cable crossing about 1/2 mile up the river from where he wanted to cross and it was marked on the map. Heck, just a proper scouting up and down the river would have yielded a different result. He wasn't trapped. What happened to him is sad, but he made some terrible decisions. He didn't even know how to properly dress out the moose he killed (with his .22) and most of the meat rotted. He didn't leave a trip plan. He didn't have anyone checking on him. He didn't have a map. He didn't have some of the most basic supplies - items I would take on an overnight backpacking trip.
        High Weight: 225
        Weight at start of Primal: 189
        Current Weight: 174
        Goal Weight: 130

        Primal Start Date: 11/26/2012

        Comment


        • #5
          He was disillusioned with society, and wanted something better for himself, and believed he would find that internally, in an isolated spot in the wilderness. But he didn't think it through, he was idealistic, and sadly he got his wordly wisdom (that life is nothing unless shared with others) on his death bed. I don't think he was a dumbass. I think he was just young, and a dreamer.

          I also think he had a death wish.
          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

          - Ray Peat

          Comment


          • #6
            As the Alaskans here have said, he did t know what the hell he was doing. He did have the skills nor did he put in the time learn from an experienced local. I have training in wilderness survival and I wouldn't attempt what he did without accessing local knowledge.

            I'll give him credit for his enthusiasm. The movie OTOH was dumb and directed by a dumb ass.

            There was a show on Discovery recently called "Back to the Wild" There was an interview with Samuel Thayer (sp). In his book on edible plant Samuel spends a good deal ripping the movie. Thayer is one of the best with wild edible plants among professional survivalists. But the Discovery show had edited his interview to maybe 1 minute. I would've liked to have seen the rest of that interview
            Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

            Comment


            • #7
              This is an interesting article, although very long. Basically, he died of starvation.
              Into the Wild and other Poisonous Plant Fables Forager's Harvest
              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                This is an interesting article, although very long. Basically, he died of starvation.
                Into the Wild and other Poisonous Plant Fables Forager's Harvest
                Yep, that's the ripping I refered to.

                As an aside. We have a lot of these BS fables coming out of Hollywood and put onto the public as some kind of reality. The latest is the fable about gas fracking.
                Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                  This is an interesting article, although very long. Basically, he died of starvation.
                  Into the Wild and other Poisonous Plant Fables Forager's Harvest
                  Thanks for posting the link, it was long but well worth reading. I have run across the Poisonous Plant Fable myself several times usually with regard to foraging for mushrooms, some one always mentions some story where an experienced mushroom hunter died (usually kills family members too) from eating the wrong mushroom. The message is: Fear nature, it's dangerous!
                  Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cantrebolls
                    think so,We have a lot of these BS fables coming out of Hollywood and put onto the public as some kind of reality.thanks
                    How is it a fable? It's not an unusal thing for a young person to do (minus the dying part) - I travelled quite a bit in India and you see people like that dude all the time going off to live in caves, or the desert...
                    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                    - Ray Peat

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                      This is an interesting article, although very long. Basically, he died of starvation.
                      Into the Wild and other Poisonous Plant Fables Forager's Harvest
                      Very interesting. Thanks.

                      It seems, just from reading that article, that he seemed to think he could be more "spiritual" by not eating meat. Which is a pretty stupid idea to have if you are trying to live off the land in Alaska.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                        He was disillusioned with society, and wanted something better for himself, and believed he would find that internally, in an isolated spot in the wilderness. But he didn't think it through, he was idealistic, and sadly he got his wordly wisdom (that life is nothing unless shared with others) on his death bed. I don't think he was a dumbass. I think he was just young, and a dreamer.

                        I also think he had a death wish.
                        I agree with this assessment of the situation. Some people would rather die than live the life modern-day society offers them. I can't wait for Mark's new book, which I understand addresses how to fulfill our primal needs in the best way possible within the framework of modern society. For McCandless and Paul Eppinger , the modern life that we're told is so wonderful isn't even worth living. And I can very much understand how someone could feel that way.
                        The Champagne of Beards

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I like the idea of doing what he did. I hope to do something like it one day, though I hope I will have better use of my own common sense. Like knowing how to safely cross a river for one.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                            I agree with this assessment of the situation. Some people would rather die than live the life modern-day society offers them. I can't wait for Mark's new book, which I understand addresses how to fulfill our primal needs in the best way possible within the framework of modern society. For McCandless and Paul Eppinger , the modern life that we're told is so wonderful isn't even worth living. And I can very much understand how someone could feel that way.
                            Word.

                            "I was part of that strange race of people aptly described as spending their lives doing things they detest to make money they don't want to buy things they don't need to impress people they dislike."
                            - Gauvreau, Emile Henry
                            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                            - Ray Peat

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              He's an absolute dumbass but I liked his motivation and mindset.

                              For a FAR better documentary on living in the Alaskan wilderness, check out the similarly named Alone in the Wilderness. It details the real, true wilderness survivalist Richard Proenneke in his quest to live alone and (mostly) on his own. Amazing, inspiring, and entertaining. Without leaving you feeling like you're watching an idiot.

                              Just a little here:
                              carl's cave

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X