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  • I think Dr. Kurt Harris abandoned the paleo community because we're crazy.



    What do you think?

  • #2
    I don't know alot about him but there are some crazy paleo people.

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    • #3
      I think he just got more jollies being a jerk in comments on the various blogs out there than writing new posts on his blog. What bugs me is how he deleted so many of his old blog posts. I think he just went crazy all on his own.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post


        What do you think?
        I think he just did a lot more reading and decided he was wrong about a lot of things he believed in.
        Is that Don matesz in your av?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
          Is that Don matesz in your av?
          Yeah, I put his picture into one of those ASCII generators. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

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          • #6
            i don't blame kurt harris. you write a lot, you have that early exuberance... but you make the mistake of keeping an open mind! plus then you have to combat all the absolute bullshit science that people bandy about in the paleosphere, and that just gets tiring. how many times do you want to argue the fucking insulin hypothesis of obesity before you're just over it?! you get cynical. i wish he'd go back to writing, occasionally, but i almost respect him more for saying 'fuck it.'

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            • #7
              I often feel embarrassed to say I eat paleo in some circles because of the crazy crap that floats around out there. I've sort of gotten tired of the associations that go with the name (low carb fanaticism, caveman recreationists, etc.) and so I don't use the label in conversation. I'm not all that surprised that he did the same, and after the shit he took for stating that he felt some starches were safe to eat (horrors!) I kind of get why he's pushed back.

              Also, he kind of always was a little bit of a jerk in his writing style, but people didn't mind that as long as he was saying stuff they agreed with. As soon as he turned away from the insulin hypothesis, then people decided that blunt honesty from someone who wasn't scared to tell it like he saw it was now an offensive trait rather than an admirable one.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Owly View Post
                I often feel embarrassed to say I eat paleo in some circles because of the crazy crap that floats around out there. I've sort of gotten tired of the associations that go with the name (low carb fanaticism, caveman recreationists, etc.) and so I don't use the label in conversation.
                oh man do i agree! i'll still use the label sometimes, cause i feel like at least the name recognition doesn't make me sound as far out as saying, "hunter gatherer diet," but there's a whole lot of crap to clear up if people start asking questions. my quick way to explain my choices is to say that i don't eat wheat or vegetable oil. that takes care of it, in short hand most of the time.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jakey View Post
                  plus then you have to combat all the absolute bullshit science that people bandy about in the paleosphere, and that just gets tiring. how many times do you want to argue the fucking insulin hypothesis of obesity before you're just over it?!
                  I think that's an important point, especially if you're a doctor or a scientist. This community despises both (unless they agree that Gary Taubes solved the mysteries of the universe). Look what happens to Stephan Guyenet for... existing, and disagreeing with the insulin HYPOTHESIS: Hyperlipid: Insulin: Are you hungry? Part 2

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                  • #10
                    yup... peter at hyperlipid - i call emperor's new clothes. does anyone really know what the fuck he's talking about, all of the time? small fraction of the time at best...

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                    • #11
                      His fanboys claim his blog is understandable to the layman. What layman where, exactly?

                      Some helpful advice from a random low carb lunatic over at Diet Doctor:

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
                        Yeah, I put his picture into one of those ASCII generators. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
                        It's kind of funny how upset so many people got when he changed his direction.

                        I think Harris just became a bit disillusioned about a lot of things in regards to Taubes/lowcarb and paleo in general. There's a lot of things in paleoland that the majority agreed upon a few years ago yet seems ridiculous now. Hell, it was only a few months ago that the large fluffy ldl was "non-athrogenic".

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                        • #13
                          I have no idea who Harris is, but I know that there are problems and some are serious, both in terms of nutritional and socio-political extremism.
                          Just yesterday night, I was reading some guy (well known in nutrition/health community) who posts a lot about nutrition. His only article on a different topic can be firmly placed in the Ron Paul/neo-Nazi/conspiracies camp. Not so long ago, he participated in paleo-primal conference - all smiles and curbing of Nazi salute. He wasn't alone there. I also watched a video linked from this forum (an interesting topic) and saw a white supremacist, also all smiles ... and preaching about civility. It's a pity I wasn't there. I would teach the bastard "civility." I think that community should face this reality. I checked all the right sources and not a single says that people interested in nutrition/health should be scoundrels, even though there are some "nice' traditions here.
                          Last edited by anna5; 01-03-2013, 10:27 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jakey View Post
                            yup... peter at hyperlipid - i call emperor's new clothes. does anyone really know what the fuck he's talking about, all of the time? small fraction of the time at best...
                            It took me about six months of research before I felt I understood Peter. That doesn't mean I always agree with his conclusions, but I have the utmost respect for him and for his work.

                            I will be blunt: Anyone who even thinks about calling "emperor's new clothes" on Peter has no intellectual standing to be giving out dietary advice - let alone calling anyone out for lack of knowledge.

                            You're not the only one, though. People think they understand Stephan but not Peter: what that really means is that they don't understand either of them. Stephan's pronouncements are simple and easy to digest - but they usually fall apart under scientific scrutiny, because obesity research is a political field, not a scientific one. In contrast, Peter's work presupposes a knowledge of biochemistry and a basic familiarity with the literature, and is more difficult for the layman to follow - but it's based on science, not politics, and therefore holds up under examination. He's also much more honest about labeling his opinions and speculations as such, vs. camouflaging them under the authority of a "scientific consensus" that doesn't exist.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by anna5 View Post
                              I have no idea who Harris is, but I know that there are problems and some are serious, both in terms of nutritional and socio-political extremism.
                              Just yesterday night, I was reading some guy (well known in nutrition/health community) who posts a lot about nutrition. His only article on a different topic can be firmly placed in the Ron Paul/neo-Nazi/conspiracies camp. Not so long ago, he participated in paleo-primal conference - all smiles and curbing of Nazi salute. He wasn't alone there. I also watched a video linked from this forum (an interesting topic) and saw a white supremacist, also all smiles ... and preaching about civility. It's a pity I wasn't there. I would teach the bastard "civility." I think that community should face this reality. I checked all the right sources and not a single says that people interested in nutrition/health should be scoundrels, even though there are some "nice' traditions here.
                              Care to explain how you believe Ron Paul and neo-nazis are in the same group? That doesn't make any sense.
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