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  • #16
    If there's one fad diet out there that's safe to follow, it's the potato diet. It still leaves way to much room for an eating disorder to develop, though, hence why I'll never try it.

    And one major red flag in Otzi's list is the "no lifting heavy things" stipulation. So instead of just eating normally and lifting heavy, you take on a crash diet and omit the most hormonally and calorically efficient form of exercise out there? Seems like a case of majoring in the minors to me.
    “The whole concept of a macronutrient, like that of a calorie, is determining our language game in such a way that the conversation is not making sense." - Dr. Kurt Harris

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    • #17
      Any drastic switch in macros actually comes with the recommendation to no lift heavy/do intense exercise. Ketonic diet, and PB itself any serious low carb will tell you to lay off activity for a while when adapting. Since you presumably turning to potato diet from a low carb diet to all-carb diet and are expected to minimize caloric intake to almost none, it is only wise to not lift.

      I kept the same exercise schedule through a few drastic changes in macros, and at least in case of the ketonic experiment it might have contributed to no success. I also tried potatoes only while on the same workout schedule, and I know I ate far more than other folks who only did light activity. Not that it proves much, as I had to stop potatoes on Day 3 from digestive problems.

      At any rate, perhaps, any change in diet should be accompanied by a drop of activity. It's hard to do though, since fitness is the only bright part of the whole "journey'.
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      • #18
        That just sounds to me like a new name on an old thing.
        Calorie shifting or re-feeding. Just with a different name.
        So same dance - different song.
        geesh.
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        • #19
          It is a type of a refeed. Where anabolic diet and Ultimate diet 2.0 do a weekly frequency with about 20 to 30% spend in refeed, where the Lean gains is a micro-refeed schedule with daily frequency with about 40% of time spent in refeed, Potato is a long term refeed with more of a monthly type of frequency.

          And, where it is actually efficient, potato hack is a long fast with crash-diet like caloric input rather than a refeed, closer to an Atkins fat fast or a Master Cleanse than to a carb cycling/refeed. Refeeds maintain a smaller caloric defs (~ 30% under maintenance as they alternate feast and fast).
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          • #20
            Originally posted by otzi View Post
            You just described the missing element in PB. A quick way to get back to where you should be.
            Perhaps it is missing for good reason. We may LIKE a quick way of reversing damage done to our bodies, but is it possible, and if so, is it GOOD for us. These are questions we should ask, rather than just looking for a 'quick fix'. Do the work, people. (And I say this as someone who has had a hard time doing it. It is not necessarily easy.)

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            • #21
              Last Friday blog features a quick fix/do whatever it takes to lose weight FAST! story and there is no shortage of people thinking it is both Primal (because it is fasting! no fruit! OMG!) and good (OMG, all that fat lost in 100 days!!!)

              (Shrug) what's the difference between the Feature Success Story and otzi's Potato Diet? The guy Mark showcases is barely eating for months on end and never letting himself to have a single slice of fruit 'cause it's gonna ruin everything, CW-style....
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              • #22
                For most people, if you don't learn to eat right, you'll just keep cycling. I can give you many other diets as "sound" as the hacks here and if you follow, you will lose weight. And then gain it back.

                Probably 90% of people just need to adapt the PB lifestyle as written and they will slowly lose weight and gain health. If you start messing around, you end up unhappy.

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                • #23
                  Oh and I did not like that recent success story..... Basically, he took on a diet that a lot of people could not maintain that isn't really primal. If I had read that as my first "primal success story" I would have never tried the plan. You definitely do not need that to lose weight and I can't imagine it being sustainable for a majority of the population. "Go to bed" yeah.... fine f you don't have anything to do.

                  Worked for him, no doubt. But a discouraging message to overweight people to think they need to just function while hungry to lose.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Althaur View Post
                    Forgot, there's nothing wrong with switching it up short term. Your words, and I agree with them. But when it's being done over and over it's not short term. IF you're doing everything right and you aren't seeing those "unsightly love handles" disappearing, maybe you need to get a reality check. Either you're not doing EVERYthing right, you have a warped perception of how you really look, or MAYBE you actually have a bigger health issue which needs to be resolved.

                    When the hack is done over an over as a "confession" in order to absolve yourself of bad eating it becomes an excuse to continue the bad behavior. Everyone seems to be looking for a quick fix.

                    Maybe, the body when healthy will find its "ideal" weight with proper feeding and exercise. Not everyone is going to be lean at their "ideal" weight.
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                    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                      Oh and I did not like that recent success story..... Basically, he took on a diet that a lot of people could not maintain that isn't really primal. If I had read that as my first "primal success story" I would have never tried the plan. You definitely do not need that to lose weight and I can't imagine it being sustainable for a majority of the population. "Go to bed" yeah.... fine f you don't have anything to do.

                      Worked for him, no doubt. But a discouraging message to overweight people to think they need to just function while hungry to lose.
                      Yeah. I'm just waiting for the influx of January dieters who get the idea that they have to fast frequently, eat nothing but potatoes for a week, never touch fruit, live on buttered coffee, chow down on cold rice, or whatever else.

                      I've done best on basic paleo/primal eating plus the lifestyle aspects (sleep, exercise, etc.). The people I see struggling the most are the ones who constantly jump from hack to hack looking for the quick fix rather than sticking with the basics and then adjusting if needed (and giving adjustments time to work!). If you try to constantly flip from ketogenic dieting to potato fasting to leptin resets and whatever else, you're likely to just be frustrated.

                      Yes, some people have conditions that might require some hacking, but honestly, for most people, eating quality food in appropriate quantities is going to yield results in the form of a healthy body. Whether it's thin enough for some people's idea of perfection is another story.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                        I think a lot of the hacks are people with bodies that no one would call fat, that want to get super lean. A 40 year old woman at 21% BF is not likely to get to 18% taking a walk and eating 80/20. . It is important to understand where some people are coming from, and also to admit that for a lot of people, just following Primal Blueprint will not get them to their vision of an ideal body.

                        But yeah, for general health, wellness, a fit body and to be attractive, one does not need a potato fast.

                        I think you said it there....if you are looking for extreme results you have to ditch the 80/20, skip the fad diets and go all out 100% There are no free rides.
                        Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                        • #27
                          Holy crap, so there's now yet ANOTHER potato thread and even this one almost became one? This is getting ridiculous.
                          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                          • #28
                            this whole forum is getting ridiculous
                            beautiful
                            yeah you are

                            Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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                            • #29
                              Great post, i totally agree. I see people still looking for quick fix. Keep on ranting

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                                Holy crap, so there's now yet ANOTHER potato thread and even this one almost became one? This is getting ridiculous.
                                Yal, there's a new fast thread too.
                                There is a new more fat thread too.

                                I dont know, I dont see the big deal of people tweaking primal to meet their goals. Even Mark writes of eating things (like sweet tators & tators) to knock you off a plateau. He also writes of eating seasonally, which means lots of whatever, and if I am not mistaken, that is what his other new book will be about.

                                So while it might not be in this book, sounds like it might be in the next one. And that might not be the right context, I don't know. But when you see new studies, new experiments, new information, some things might be subject to change. That is why PB was written in the first place, to go against the grain of CW in an attempt to get some new ideas and new thinking out there. Sometimes what we think is, isn't and what we think isn't, is. (I know, that's deep. It just came to me)
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