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  • So sick of living inside the machine. Where to go?

    If we left, where could we go? What forests can we live in without fear of being hunted or harassed? Where are the deer plentiful?

    I'm 30. This has all been crap. I want to wake up, find food, love my family, play games, work the land a little, and sleep free of B.S. I want every day to be the same.


    I just don't know how much longer I can take this fake, fake world and these games we play, the money we have to make, the dreams we must kill to satisfy cultural norms. Why don't we take to the trees again?
    Crohn's, doing SCD

  • #2
    Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
    If we left, where could we go? What forests can we live in without fear of being hunted or harassed? Where are the deer plentiful?

    I'm 30. This has all been crap. I want to wake up, find food, love my family, play games, work the land a little, and sleep free of B.S. I want every day to be the same.


    I just don't know how much longer I can take this fake, fake world and these games we play, the money we have to make, the dreams we must kill to satisfy cultural norms. Why don't we take to the trees again?
    According to Daniel Quinn,
    Beyond Civilization isn't a geographic space, it's a cultural space.

    He draws parallels to the circus (not modern-day ringling brothers, but more the real traveling circuses), the voluntarily homeless population of young people in Seattle, and Gypsies, among others, as groups who live outside civilization culturally but within the geographic confines of democratic, capitalist society.
    The Champagne of Beards

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    • #3
      Ahhhh, I feel your pain. You are right - there is no where left completely untouched. The only way truly would be to buy enough land (preferably an island), claim your own independent nation state and defend it against the world!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Huntress View Post
        Ahhhh, I feel your pain. You are right - there is no where left completely untouched. The only way truly would be to buy enough land (preferably an island), claim your own independent nation state and defend it against the world!
        And then you are inside your own machine. Which may not necessarily be an improvement.

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        • #5
          Knifegill, I don't know if there's any way to live fully outside the machine any more. But you can definitely live on its outskirts and interact with it as much or little as you like. My wife and I are working on building ourselves a little cargo-van RV and living as nomads for a while. If you have any money you could also buy a little plot somewhere rural and/or mountainous and make your living working it, maybe working a craft for sale if there's something you're interested in making.

          We're planning to be roving merchant-craftspeople for a while and see how that life suits us--maybe you can still figure out your own dream and live it somehow?

          I get it though. The whole world is full of people and roads and developments and pollution and rules, which are another form of pollution, of course. But I think there's a case to be made for living on the edges of it in a way that retains most of the advantages--access to emergency medicine, the Internet, art and social interaction (when you want such things, which I know is a pretty low priority for you), without all the downsides like compulsive consumption, incessant competition, high cost of living, and shallow, petty and fake social niceties in place of real, deep relationships.
          Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

          My Primal Journal

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          • #6
            Well, there are large portions of the U.S. you could go to... assuming you had MILLIONS of dollars to buy the land :/ Or go back in time 60-70 years and hang out with my grandfather, great uncle and great grandfather.
            -Ryan Mercer my blog and Genco Peptides my small biz

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            • #7
              I feel the same, but I do not see alternatives to working my butt off and then taking the early retirement to live the life of leisure.
              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
              When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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              • #8
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                • #9
                  I'm at the same place with my soul. I'm absolutely tired of playing this game of life where you always have to know what your next move is, and it always has to be "better" than your last. I graduate with a Bachelors degree in May, and that is when I plan to strike. Currently, I have no obligations, and I'm whittling down my personal belongings so that I can just catch the wind and see where it takes me. I've applied for the National Parks Services, just to try and get to some trees, but now I'm think more along the lines of WWOOFing(World Wide Opportunities for Organic Farms) which someone pointed out to me on a previous post. I think that would be a good start, living with a small community and simply working the earth, I just hope I can find a family that will provide pale-friendly fare. I am hoping that this will spark some creativity in me and will help me to see what I wan't to do for the next part of my life. Maybe it's grad school, maybe it isn't, but getting off the grid for a while will surely help me see more clearly.

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                  • #10
                    Implying that kind of life wouldnt get fucking boring in weeks if you dont have a decent sized group to live with.

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                    • #11
                      You are not living in a machine - the machine lives inside you.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Him View Post
                        You are not living in a machine - the machine lives inside you.
                        This reminds me of the indian in Ken Kesey's "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" whose mental derangement (or not) was that the "combine" had its wires in him. The book is an interesting allegory and relevant to the discussion here.

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                        • #13
                          At least there is the chance of some wilderness in the USA, only little bit here is in scotland and it's pretty uninhabital unless you are a shetland pony.

                          You have to detach yourself from the machine bit by bit, I'm as detached as I can be right now - biggest jump for me was going self-employed, that gives freedom in a way you can never get working for someone else. Other steps were taking the kids out of school, and making the mental shift away from consumerism and the capitalst economic system that only helps the rich.

                          Once we've got a bit of land we will be as detached as we can be on this small island, won't be all the way, but as off the grid and out of the capitalist system as possible.

                          We have come to the conclusion that we have to dance round the edges of society and contribute in a way that suits us - we can't not drive on the roads, or use hospital systems for example, that are maintianed by society, we need to use money as a universally accepted exchange system to take payment for goods or services we provide and buy things we can't make ourselves, like tea bags or pans.


                          But before that - traveling in an RV traveling and crafting and wwoofing and temporary jobs and volunteering at festivals and cheeky free stop-overs
                          You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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                          • #14
                            Alaska. If you don't mind the winter, you can still get very deep into the woods and still be a member of the community --- hunting parties, cabin repair groups, like and such. If you have a greenhouse you have a very valuable commodity for trade. It's not for me, not a bit, but people of that mindset seem very happy.

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                            • #15
                              Keep working but stop spending. In a few years you'll have the FU money and you'll find that that in itself changes your whole perspective.

                              People really are doing it in Alaska but I do think there can be a real anti-social aspect to it. Good luck. You're at an age where you can do it, give it another 10 or 15 and you're on the train for the last stop.
                              Wheat is the new tobacco. Spread the word.

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