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  • #16
    Sadly you don't have much of an option (in most of the world anyway) unless you have millions of dollars. Plenty of open land in the U.S., with a huge pricetag. Ideally to take care of yourself and your family you are going to want 100+ acres in an area with a good growing season, 40-50 of that is going to need to be wooded minimum just to handle your wood needs if you plan on using wood for heating/cooking/etc, and to also get game out of during the respective legal seasons.

    It really stinks

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    • #17
      Read Joseph Campbell, and Dan Miller. There's some good perspective.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by IvyBlue View Post
        Keep working but stop spending. In a few years you'll have the FU money and you'll find that that in itself changes your whole perspective.
        That's the other half right there, and the other motivation for us to move into a homemade RV. It's going to slash our (already low) spending probably in half due to no rent, utilities, etc. (aside from gas, but it's conceivable that due to no daily commute, even this bill will decrease despite living in a ~12MPG camper van). And we'll still have enough income potential even while mobile that we should be able to keep putting away money. It means financial independence is much closer without having to work a soul-crushing corporate job "climbing the ladder" for a decade or more. The trick is not needing much money so you don't have to make a lot of money to be comfortable.
        Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

        My Primal Journal

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
          Why don't we take to the trees again?
          shall we follow
          The deception of the thrush? Into our first world.
          Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot

          It's not what Eliot is talking about, but the same applies: you can never go back.

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          • #20
            We moved to the Isle of Lewis 7 years ago for pretty much the reasons you're all mentioning. We can't escape totally but we have 5 acres and a good house. We provide Bed & Breakfast in Summer, I do some Blacksmithing and OH does Reiki and Reflexology. We farm our land, have a cow, goats, pigs, sheep and hens. We grow veg, make cheese and feed ourselves.
            We reckon we live on about 5,000 a year but we are happy. No boss, not too much red tape, comfortable house and the best of food.
            We work damn hard, sleep well, and look forward to each day.

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            • #21
              I'd kinda like to move to Belize or Ecuador... out of the US rat race, anyway, and a more laid-back, less consumerism lifestyle.

              Otherwise, it's finding a few acres to raise our own veggies (well, I do some of that now), and maybe have a beef to grass feed.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Uncephalized View Post
                The trick is not needing much money so you don't have to make a lot of money to be comfortable.
                + 1000

                The flip side of the same coin is the more you have the more you think you 'need' and it's hard to force yourself to give up the stuff you convince yourself you need when you can still afford it.

                I also find the less spending power you have the more you value every little thing
                You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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                • #23
                  maybe even detaching from the Internet is a healthy place to start to re-evaluate?
                  Check out my blog on nature and nurture!
                  http://thewoodsygal.com/

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                  • #24
                    Here's a couple more links for you:
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                      If we left, where could we go? What forests can we live in without fear of being hunted or harassed? Where are the deer plentiful?

                      I'm 30. This has all been crap. I want to wake up, find food, love my family, play games, work the land a little, and sleep free of B.S. I want every day to be the same.


                      I just don't know how much longer I can take this fake, fake world and these games we play, the money we have to make, the dreams we must kill to satisfy cultural norms. Why don't we take to the trees again?

                      Giggle. Do you know how hard it is to live without running water? How about heat and refrigeration? Sanitation? Where would your food come from? Deer are not a nutritionally complete diet: and one deer provides possible 40-50 lbs of meat IF you eat everything down to tongue, liver, heart and kidneys. Have you ever tried subsistence farming? What do you do when the squash bugs eat your vines, or the hail knocks down your corn?

                      How do you sleep and keep alert for predators? Have you ever built a shelter?

                      I've lived without running water, electricity, and used a woodstove for heat. I've raised and slaughtered my own animals and produced or bartered for the majority of my food. I've preserved it, cooked it, and picked bugs out of the flour when that was all I had. I've fed my kids and scraped plates when they were done and asleep to have food.

                      This romantic idea of life on the land is crap. You aren't ready to work that hard.

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                      • #26
                        Knifegill, you are living in WA state. Land is expensive there. Land in less popular states is very much less expensive.

                        There's a lot of good advice in this thread, even from people who think you couldn't do it. I think you could - maybe not live in the trees because there's no more free homestead land in the US, but surely you could find a few acres somewhere cheap, and save enough money so you have your living expenses covered until you find something that brings money in.

                        Don't give up your dreams, baby. Even if you have to modify them a bit, you'll still be better off than those who accept the status quo. I have a little dream of land myself, but it includes being able to do city life a few months out of the year. I like the idea of off the grid, but I love good restaurants, museums, etc., also.

                        Make a plan. Set a time-line. Do it. Life is a work in progress.
                        "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                        B*tch-lite

                        Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                        • #27
                          Fuzzy.... What's the deal with that last sentence? "You aren't ready..."

                          I mean, I don't know the OP, you probably don't know the OP, how would we know what (s)he is ready for?

                          I know what it's like, by the way. I've lived without running water, heat, refrigeration, flush toilets, etc. I know some of the strange ways it affected me (e.g. defecating only every 3-4 days in part because the facilities were unpleasant enough that I avoided it as long as I could, or the fact that after awhile "water off a duck's back" could also have ended "my hair"), I've built shelters and off-grid PV power systems, etc.... I could drop back into that if needed. I don't choose to because... Well... What I said before. The problem, the frustration, isn't external. We are not trapped in a machine. Rather, we're trapped in our thoughts...the machine is learned ways of thinking and behaving. You cannot escape by relocating, you cannot escape by moving to a shack in the woods, or a sailboat on the wide blue ocean. You can only escape by changing your mind....and you can do that anywhere. I suspect most people need to find that out for themselves though. So perhaps, ready or not, a year in the woods is something everyone needs even though they really don't.

                          I have driven around Alaska, Wyoming, etc looking at land and dreaming too...and that's a living dream for me...but it has nothing to do with machines.
                          Last edited by Him; 12-06-2012, 09:35 PM.

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                          • #28
                            I often agree with Him (the poster, not God), and I do agree this time also. The Eagles sang, "So often times it happens that we live our life in chains and we never even know we have the key."
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                            B*tch-lite

                            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                            • #29
                              For us, we created a plan of what we wanted in life.

                              Both of us are now entrepreneurs (with one earning income from it), and our work experience is MUCH more positive (and so rewarding), and so it feels far less "rat race-y."

                              Likewise, we live very simply (minimalist-like), and we love making money with our rewarding work. We don't hunt/fish/whatever, but we have a good life that we love. We are nearly debt free (student loan debt!), and once we are there, then we are "scott free!"

                              But, yeah, you don't have to do a whole lot to live better, truly.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by fuzzylogic View Post
                                Giggle. Do you know how hard it is to live without running water? How about heat and refrigeration? Sanitation? Where would your food come from? Deer are not a nutritionally complete diet: and one deer provides possible 40-50 lbs of meat IF you eat everything down to tongue, liver, heart and kidneys. Have you ever tried subsistence farming? What do you do when the squash bugs eat your vines, or the hail knocks down your corn?

                                How do you sleep and keep alert for predators? Have you ever built a shelter?

                                I've lived without running water, electricity, and used a woodstove for heat. I've raised and slaughtered my own animals and produced or bartered for the majority of my food. I've preserved it, cooked it, and picked bugs out of the flour when that was all I had. I've fed my kids and scraped plates when they were done and asleep to have food.

                                This romantic idea of life on the land is crap. You aren't ready to work that hard.
                                This.

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