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  • #91
    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    I know you don't have an eating disorder. Neither did I. I was just pointing out that, while choosing different menus, we both were essentially doing calorie restriction and both worked.
    Maybe it's time to resurrect your 'monster thread' on calorie counting--because you are right! I looked but couldn't find it. I think the only diff between normal calorie restriction and the potato diet is that the potato diet is meant only for 1-2 weeks max and has a high satiety effect.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Kilian View Post
      u mad or what? if you don't like it, gtfo!
      Originally posted by InSearchOfAbs View Post
      Boys and girls, do NOT engage the haters - just move past it like it never happened, okay?
      Originally posted by BratKat View Post
      I'm a little baffled by the people who find this ridiculous, think there are WAY too many "tater" threads, yet feel the need to insert themselves into each and every one of those threads...!?
      Sorry, not a hater, but I am mystified. As pklopp was doing and logging changes and trying to see how it works etc. I think is a good effort at least to try to understand what is going on with it. I even somewhat understand the concept of using potatoes as a "hack" (as it has been called - even though I couldn't do it), but I am not understanding calling it a "diet" (in the common understanding of the word) since that is what paleo/primal are so not about at all. And I think it is telling that when someone comes along and says that in their opinion eating plain potatoes would be boring (in their opinion mind you) that the wagons are circled.

      I also happen to think that it is important to make comments for the sake of those who are new to paleo/primal. It's good for them to understand as they are learning about the ins and outs of making dietary changes that just because there are a number of threads dedicated to "taters" that there are also paleo/primal eaters who don't agree, or can't understand that kind of "hack," or are interested in the science behind it before they would actually do it.

      Respectfully, this is also a public forum and so I think it should be an expectation to have comments from people who might not agree with you. If you want to have a forum that is private you will have to start your own I think. There are blogs that allow you to set up and keep it private...
      Female, age 51, 5' 9"
      SW - 183 (Jan 22, 2012), CW - 159, GW - healthy.

      Met my 2012 goals by losing 24 pounds.
      2013 goals are to get fit and strong!

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      • #93
        So I went to the grocery store and looked and looked for the super secret potatoes. I found russet potatoes, Yukon gold potatoes, red bliss potatoes, fingerling potatoes, but nothing marked "secret" or "super secret." So I saw a guy stocking the apple rack, and I figured I'd ask him. But of course you can't just come right out and ask where the super secret potatoes are, because, you know, they're super secret. So I thought I'd play it cool, so I just pretended to be really interested in some Jonagolds, and then I whispered over to him Are there any other potatoes besides the ones over there?, nodding towards the potato rack. And he was like, No, that's all of them. But he was a real young guy, so maybe he just hadn't been initiated into the super secret potato society. Then I saw there was this old guy pushing out some boxes on a big cart, so I followed him over to the mushrooms. As he was refilling the bins of creminis, I thought I'd fish for some info. These would be really good in a ... potato gratin, don't you think? He kept stocking away, and just mumbled, S'pose so. So I pushed the issue. Well if I wanted to make a ... potato gratin ... but I didn't want to use any of the potatoes over there [nodding], where might I be able to find some ... special potatoes? He pushed his glasses back on his nose and thought for a moment. Aisle 11 has Ore-Ida and them, the ones in the boxes. I rubbed my chin as if to consider this, and then asked him But is there any other potato, a variety that's not on the rack over there, or in the prepared foods aisle? He said, Well, there's canned potatoes. I don't think there's any whole potatoes frozen. But you're better off using the fresh ones anyway.

        So my first attempt to procure the super secret potatoes was foiled by the keepers of the super secret potato society. But I think the old man knows something, and I think he knows I know that, and so maybe it's like a test, where I have to come back and prove that I'm worthy of the super secret potato society's trust. I'm thinking maybe I could hand him a picture of a potato with the caption THE SECRET IS SAFE WITH ME. Unless there's a password. Spud? Idaho? Mr. Potato Head? It's all very perplexing. Maybe there's even an initiation rite. I hope I don't have to kill a goat and drink its blood.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by fat belly frog View Post
          For PK

          First round (weight kgs, calories)
          Day 1, 110.9kgs, 1000 cals
          Day 2, 108.7kgs 1400 cals
          Day 3, 107.8kgs, 1000 cals
          Day 4, 105.9kgs, 1200 cals
          Day 5, 106.2kgs, 1000 cals
          Day 6, 105.8kgs, 1200 cals
          Day 7, 105.5kgs, 1200 cals
          Day 8, 104.8kgs, 1200cals
          Day 9, 104.5kgs, 1000 cals
          Day 10 104kgs, eat a big juicy steak that night
          day after 104.5kgs

          Round two after 12 days of eating anything and everything.... even shock horror bread....

          Day 1, 105.5kgs, 1800cals (had roast chicken for dinner, spuds and rice during day)
          Day 2, 105.0kgs, 1400 cals
          Day 3, 103.8kgs, 1200cals
          Day 4, 102.8kgs, 1200 cals (had red curry paste with green veggies and spuds for dinner - high salt content?)
          Day 5, 104.0 cals Finished Poataoes with lamb chops that night
          Day after 104.5kgs

          Now eating 90% paleo and sitting between 103-105kgs. Prior to the PD I had bounced around 110-112kgs eating the same way.

          I based calorie intake on the assumption of 100 cals per 100grams of spuds and 200cals per 1 cup of coooked white rice, allow +/-10% for sauces etc.
          With those numbers, assuming you are male, of average height, and between 40 - 60 years of age, you were eating about 1150 kcal. per day, and your BMR requirements are anywhere between 1800 - 2000 kcal. So, you were at 58% - 65% of your BMR. Were you to not lose weight on such a protocol I would be stunned.

          If you were eating at those levels and not feeling hungry, that is indeed impressive, but then we would need to discuss satiation vs. satiety, where satiation == your body is fed, and satiety == you are fed up ( with eating so many potatoes ).

          Nevertheless, congratulations on your progress.

          -PK
          My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

          Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by jojohaligo View Post
            Sorry, not a hater, but I am mystified. As pklopp was doing and logging changes and trying to see how it works etc. I think is a good effort at least to try to understand what is going on with it. I even somewhat understand the concept of using potatoes as a "hack" (as it has been called - even though I couldn't do it), but I am not understanding calling it a "diet" (in the common understanding of the word) since that is what paleo/primal are so not about at all. And I think it is telling that when someone comes along and says that in their opinion eating plain potatoes would be boring (in their opinion mind you) that the wagons are circled.

            I also happen to think that it is important to make comments for the sake of those who are new to paleo/primal. It's good for them to understand as they are learning about the ins and outs of making dietary changes that just because there are a number of threads dedicated to "taters" that there are also paleo/primal eaters who don't agree, or can't understand that kind of "hack," or are interested in the science behind it before they would actually do it.

            Respectfully, this is also a public forum and so I think it should be an expectation to have comments from people who might not agree with you. If you want to have a forum that is private you will have to start your own I think. There are blogs that allow you to set up and keep it private...
            I think that the most important voices to be heard are those of the dissenters.

            We already have an inborn tendency towards confirmation bias ... why fan those flames by excluding contrary viewpoints?

            -PK
            My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

            Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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            • #96
              The secret password is "the eye's have it!".

              Thanks for the entertaining story..... you silly boy!

              Okay day 2 stats..............


              Day 2 - 12/04/12

              Weight: 125.2 = -.6

              Food:
              M1 - coffee, 15g cream, 115g 2%mik - 109cals

              M2: 250g baked russet rounds with salt - 242cals

              M3: 450g skinned red potatoes made into a "soup" (wallpaper paste?), with salt - 324cals


              Total Calories: 676

              Macros:
              Protein - 19g
              Carbs - 131g
              Fat - 8g


              Exercise - A whole lot of nothing other than laundry
              and walking back and forth to school 6 times.

              Bodybugg said I burned 2052 cals for the day so minus
              the 676 is 1376 deficit.

              I did end up walking 10K steps though, so that's five miles.

              I can't wait to see what I weigh today, as I went to bed last night
              weighing LESS than I did when I weighed yesterday morning. That is weird.

              Also, yesterday's russet potato rounds were tasty, but I was hella full from them
              forever. I only made my potato wallpaper paste later in CASE I got hungry, which I
              did, but not hungry enough to eat all of the slop that I made.

              The curious thing was that even though everyone else around me was eating toothsome things,
              I wasn't hungry for any of THAT either.

              Very.Very.Odd.

              Pretty hungry today and potatoes sound GREAT again!

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              • #97
                I'm always baffled why a low calorie diet is somehow considered a failure if it is easy. People only consider it a success if you had to struggle with hunger. So if you can eat potatoes until you're blue in the face but only squeeze in 1000 calories, that sounds like a success to me. Well, as far as a weight loss hack anyway.
                Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                • #98
                  Totally agree SB.

                  Back in 2008 I did Lyle's PSMF diet and almost killed people, then myself.

                  That thing SUCKED ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

                  It worked, but it was NOT as easy as this.

                  I swear this feels as though someone has just flipped a switch as if to say "yeah, you're not THAT
                  hungry."

                  It really is weird.

                  My husband eating his steak sammich usually has me drooling. Yesterday he was eating a salami
                  sandwich along with a BAG, a BIG bag of cheetos (my fave), and that did nothing.

                  Last night the kids were porking down some of their halloween candy (that will NEVER DIE since
                  they both collected ELEVEN POUNDS EACH), and usually THAT would send me into a snickers
                  eating frenzy, but just looking at them eating it I was like "um, yeah, I gotta get outta here before
                  I barf". So I went for a walk around the block.

                  I don't understand it whatsoever, and it COULD just be because one is tired of eating the same thing
                  over and over, but even then, you have to think that if your body/stomach/mind is hungry, then you're
                  going to EAT whatever is there, no matter if it's the same ol' thing.

                  So I don't get that.

                  600 calories yesterday? Really? I should have been a royal bitch, lethargic, cold and just plain mean
                  but I wasn't.

                  Maybe today? We'll see!

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                  • #99
                    I'm always baffled why a low calorie diet is somehow considered a failure if it is easy. People only consider it a success if you had to struggle with hunger. So if you can eat potatoes until you're blue in the face but only squeeze in 1000 calories, that sounds like a success to me. Well, as far as a weight loss hack anyway.
                    +1!
                    Gods, if there was one thing, anything that i can eat and be full & happy on 1300-1500 calories a day & not crave anything else to the point of failure, I would eat it! So far I tried pure fats (coconut oil, macadamia nuts); high fat VLC (<30 g); green veggies and meats; paleo; and slow carbs. And my appetite & cravings for fruit are never curbed. Because of my blood sugar problems I am afraid to try all potatoes (and because I have an experience of eating 6 lbs of potatoes in one day, no problems).

                    But I think I am going to start later this week (after I finish eggs I brought to the office) and see how much I go through in one day. If my appetite keeps increasing after 2+ days & blood sugar goes wacky, I will stop. Anyone tried taking lemon juice during this diet to keep blood sugar from ups and downs?
                    Last edited by Leida; 12-05-2012, 10:24 AM.
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                    • Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                      ...So my first attempt to procure the super secret potatoes was foiled by the keepers of the super secret potato society.
                      You're getting close...

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                      • Originally posted by Leida View Post
                        +1!
                        Gods, if there was one thing, anything that i can eat and be full & happy on 1300-1500 calories a day & not crave anything else to the point of failure, I would eat it! So far I tried pure fats (coconut oil, macadamia nuts); high fat VLC (<30 g); green veggies and meats; paleo; and slow carbs. And my appetite & cravings for fruit are never curbed. Because of my blood sugar problems I am afraid to try all potatoes (and because I have an experience of eating 6 lbs of potatoes in one day, no problems).

                        But I think I am going to start later this week (after I finish eggs I brought to the office) and see how much I go through in one day. If my appetite keeps increasing after 2+ days & blood sugar goes wacky, I will stop. Anyone tried taking lemon juice during this diet to keep blood sugar from ups and downs?
                        I have found that salt and vinegar are extremely tasty on potatoes. Some have mentioned a sodium/potassium connection to the effectiveness of the potato diet, and there's this about vinegar:


                        A study published in 2005 in the "European Journal of Clinical Nutrition" showed that adding 1 to 2 tbsp. of vinegar to a meal containing the equivalent of 50 g of carbs from white bread resulted in lower blood sugar levels and lower insulin levels in the 2-hour period following the meal. The higher dose of vinegar resulted in the lowest blood sugar rise. In this study, researchers used white vinegar containing 6 percent acetic acid.
                        Read more: What Vinegar Reduces Spikes In Blood Sugar? | LIVESTRONG.COM

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                        • In 4 Hour Body Ferris says: vinegar, contrary to the expectations did not lower blood sugar (and he was drinking 3 tbsp of it!) while lemon juice, again, contrary to the expectations, did. Right now I am experimenting with drinking juice of 1/2 lemon before every meal. Call me crazy, but I really want to find something to keep blood sugar and appetite stable & improve my sleep. I am already taking magnesium and potassium citrates. I am adding melatonin next week. My stack of supplements is growing rapidly, as much as I hate it. I am not given to hypochondria, but i want to find out what works, and taking 5HTP & B for cramps showed me that sometimes supplements do work.
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                          • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                            I'm always baffled why a low calorie diet is somehow considered a failure if it is easy. People only consider it a success if you had to struggle with hunger. So if you can eat potatoes until you're blue in the face but only squeeze in 1000 calories, that sounds like a success to me. Well, as far as a weight loss hack anyway.
                            If it is a calorie reduced diet ( which it obviously is ), then all equivalent diets that supply the same net energy ( calories ) will work, with the caveat that they need to leave you somewhat sated so you can comply with the protocol.

                            You could eat yourself blue in the face with cabbage, cauliflower, strawberries, broccoli, or any one of a number of other things that you might actually enjoy. You might even muster the courage to add a pat of butter or throw in additional protein if your understanding of nutrition and experience with your own metabolism would indicate that it was called for.

                            If you find a high fat calorie restricted diet satiating, then you should eat that. Alternatively, eat a high protein calorie restricted diet, if that also fits the bill with respect to your hunger. Of course, if you attempt to suggest such blasphemy, you get excommunicated from the church of the potato.

                            I have no problem with folks eating a calorie reduced diet and losing weight. In fact, that is the only way to lose weight, deniers of fundamental thermodynamics notwithstanding. I would and do have a problem with folks eating a diet that is deficient nutritionally. I also have a really big problem with uncritical ritualistic acceptance of anything, whether related to diet or otherwise.

                            -PK
                            My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

                            Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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                            • Practical matter:

                              Still fine on just taters, but had a weird smell in my kitchen. Tracked it down, and it was from one of my potato bags. I think one of the potatoes in there contracted Potato Ebola--it was deflated and squishy like a balloon, and had leaked out foul-smelling liquid that looked like soapy dishwater. I threw that one away and washed/peeled the rest in the bag, even the ones that were wet from the goo. They smelled fine. I'm gonna eat them unless anyone on here is a Potato Scientist and tells me not to.

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                              • Originally posted by InSearchOfAbs View Post
                                Totally agree SB.
                                600 calories yesterday? Really? I should have been a royal bitch, lethargic, cold and just plain mean
                                but I wasn't.

                                Maybe today? We'll see!
                                I'm not sure, and this could just be a theory, but could it be from a result of chronic low-carbing, and now that you're spiking your blood glucose with >100g carbs without protein or fat to slow it down, your body is responding positively with lots of energy, just like how people who ate SAD first convert to veganism?

                                Of course, I understand your intent of doing this only short term, unlike people who become vegans for a number of years, but could that possibly be an explanation?
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