Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The Super Secret Potato Project

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Hi Otzi,

    Well I am back ,I feel of the wagon and gained some weight back ,I got sick and things kinda snowballed out of control.

    I restarted PHD ,I am starting with just plain taters some salt that is pretty much it.

    Gopintos good job wow just the mention of tater diet causes weight loss wow.
    I hope Ray does not get mad at me, when is his web site to be up any idea Otzi?

    BTW GO NINERS!!!!!!

    Comment


    • Long time lurker here -

      Been very low carb primal for a while now and really disappointed with the results. Been eating 1000-1500 calories per day, around 20g carbs (meat, vegetables, eggs - all home-cooked, etc etc). It seemed the only days I lost weight were when I ate <800 calories a day and was hungry. I even went on a 'fat fast' (1000 calories, 90% from fat) which included lots of slow movement and lost nothing. I haven't been able to lift weights lately because my muscles are so weak, and I feel dizzy when I stand up even though I supplement my electrolytes. (Meanwhile, of course, a male friend with a much lower BMI has lost 12lbs in 4 days, not even following the rules properly!). So, I'm going to try the potato diet and see if it helps.

      My Stats: 24/F/5' 4"/178.3lbs

      Day 1: In the morning I ate about 1lb of baked potato wedges/chips ('fries' seems inappropriate as they were so thick - they were chipped potatoes, so I'm calling them chips) with malt vinegar. I also took 1000mg ALA and drank hot water with lemon juice in, in an attempt to reduce the glycemic/fat-storing impact of the carbs.

      Comment


      • There is a good thread that is tater - related :

        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread76153.html

        Comment


        • Originally posted by spacegirl View Post
          Been very low carb primal for a while now and really disappointed with the results. Been eating 1000-1500 calories per day, around 20g carbs (meat, vegetables, eggs - all home-cooked, etc etc). It seemed the only days I lost weight were when I ate <800 calories a day and was hungry. I even went on a 'fat fast' (1000 calories, 90% from fat) which included lots of slow movement and lost nothing. I haven't been able to lift weights lately because my muscles are so weak, and I feel dizzy when I stand up even though I supplement my electrolytes. (Meanwhile, of course, a male friend with a much lower BMI has lost 12lbs in 4 days, not even following the rules properly!). So, I'm going to try the potato diet and see if it helps.
          How about just adding a few potatoes to your meat and veggies? Why go from one extreme to the other? I hate the word "balanced diet" in a CW context, but surely it applies here? I was too low carb for a while myself and suffered from the dizziness as well. Adding potatoes has really helped me and I feel great, but that doesn't mean I will do this potato only diet. It may well help you but all I'm saying is consider just adding them to your normal primal diet and I guess you'll be just fine.

          Comment


          • So last week M-F, I had sweet potato for breakfast and white potato for lunch followed by primal dinner and lost 3 lb. The rumbling in my intestines was really starting to get on my nerves. No potato over the weekend and then this week M-Th, I had berries and yogurt for breakfast and white potato plus 4 oz meat for lunch followed by primal dinner and lost 2 more lb. Calories were about the same both weeks.

            Next week I'm going to try sweet potato for a late breakfast and see if I can push my lunch off until dinner time. I've decided yogurt and berries for breakfast is not helping me in my goal of merging breakfast and lunch into one meal. Something about potatoes, though, seems to make going without eating for longer stretches much easier.
            50yo, 5'3"
            SW-195
            CW-125, part calorie counting, part transition to primal
            GW- Goals are no longer weight-related

            Comment


            • Originally posted by spacegirl View Post
              Long time lurker here -

              Been very low carb primal for a while now and really disappointed with the results. Been eating 1000-1500 calories per day, around 20g carbs (meat, vegetables, eggs - all home-cooked, etc etc). It seemed the only days I lost weight were when I ate <800 calories a day and was hungry. I even went on a 'fat fast' (1000 calories, 90% from fat) which included lots of slow movement and lost nothing. I haven't been able to lift weights lately because my muscles are so weak, and I feel dizzy when I stand up even though I supplement my electrolytes. (Meanwhile, of course, a male friend with a much lower BMI has lost 12lbs in 4 days, not even following the rules properly!). So, I'm going to try the potato diet and see if it helps.

              My Stats: 24/F/5' 4"/178.3lbs

              Day 1: In the morning I ate about 1lb of baked potato wedges/chips ('fries' seems inappropriate as they were so thick - they were chipped potatoes, so I'm calling them chips) with malt vinegar. I also took 1000mg ALA and drank hot water with lemon juice in, in an attempt to reduce the glycemic/fat-storing impact of the carbs.
              Try it for a couple days at least. When you see your weight stable or dropping, you will realize that it wasn't 'carbs' keeping you from your goals. Once you lose your fear of carbs, you can truly prosper with Primal.

              When you go back to your normal diet, eat potatoes or a starch source like rice or sweet potatoes every day. Try to eat at least 300-500 calories a day from potato, rice, or sweet potato. Try eating them very plainly, but with a normal meal.

              If you are worried about making room for them in your calorie range, remove some fat. If you count macros, shoot for 50-30-20 (F-P-C). If you want to lose weight quicker, try 40-30-30 or stick with 50-30-20, but cut overall calories.

              These ratios don't have to be perfect, but some like targets...that's an easy one.

              Low carb helps a lot of people break their sugar addiction and get started eating healthy, but don't lump sweet fruit, candy, and potatoes/rice all together. If you are not thriving on low carb, raise the carbs with a good starch product.

              I'm a big ol' guy, so I'm different than you, but normally my day goes like this:

              First food at 11am, big baked potato w/salt and bit of ketchup, tin of sardines, or small portion of lean meat, raw veggies like green pepper, tomato, mushrooms.

              no snacks

              Second meal at 6, another potato cooked various ways, large serving of meat, more veggies, butter used in cooking.

              Dessert - One or more of: dark chocolate, banana, blueberries, cheese, almonds

              Eating like this keeps me ridiculously full and perfectly weight stable.

              Comment


              • Originally posted by LauraSB View Post
                So last week M-F, I had sweet potato for breakfast and white potato for lunch followed by primal dinner and lost 3 lb. The rumbling in my intestines was really starting to get on my nerves. No potato over the weekend and then this week M-Th, I had berries and yogurt for breakfast and white potato plus 4 oz meat for lunch followed by primal dinner and lost 2 more lb. Calories were about the same both weeks.

                Next week I'm going to try sweet potato for a late breakfast and see if I can push my lunch off until dinner time. I've decided yogurt and berries for breakfast is not helping me in my goal of merging breakfast and lunch into one meal. Something about potatoes, though, seems to make going without eating for longer stretches much easier.
                Wow! So close to goal and experimenting with carbs! I know when I was losing weight, I was deathly afraid of them, and if I felt I wasn't losing fast enough, they were the first to go. Now I realize that was actually hurting me. I should have kept sensible levels of starch all along and cut a pit on fat or protein at meals.

                Comment


                • Originally posted by FlyingPig View Post
                  How about just adding a few potatoes to your meat and veggies? Why go from one extreme to the other? I hate the word "balanced diet" in a CW context, but surely it applies here? I was too low carb for a while myself and suffered from the dizziness as well. Adding potatoes has really helped me and I feel great, but that doesn't mean I will do this potato only diet. It may well help you but all I'm saying is consider just adding them to your normal primal diet and I guess you'll be just fine.
                  Very, very good advice. The only thing I really like about the "Potato Diet" is that it gets people to realize it's not the starchy carbs that are causing weight gain/water retention. I find my weight much more stable with a steady intake of potatoes or rice at meals. When on a strict 'LC' or 'VLC' diet, any screw ups can lead to quick bloating and weight gain. On a moderate intake of carbs, I seem to be more stable.

                  BTW, eating 1-2 potatoes or rice a day is only 50-100g of carbs, still LC by many standards.

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by FlyingPig View Post
                    How about just adding a few potatoes to your meat and veggies? Why go from one extreme to the other? I hate the word "balanced diet" in a CW context, but surely it applies here? I was too low carb for a while myself and suffered from the dizziness as well. Adding potatoes has really helped me and I feel great, but that doesn't mean I will do this potato only diet. It may well help you but all I'm saying is consider just adding them to your normal primal diet and I guess you'll be just fine.
                    This is pretty much what I do now, PHD style, but it is also nice once in while to do a day or two of tators. But I also might do a day or two of all steak & eggs, or I'll I do a day or two of HF/LC, so it is just one more useful tool.
                    65lbs gone and counting!!

                    Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by otzi View Post
                      Wow! So close to goal and experimenting with carbs! I know when I was losing weight, I was deathly afraid of them, and if I felt I wasn't losing fast enough, they were the first to go. Now I realize that was actually hurting me. I should have kept sensible levels of starch all along and cut a pit on fat or protein at meals.
                      Fortunately for me I was well into my weight loss before I found MDA. I had already decided on my own that grains were a bad investment when I only had so many calories to spend, so my carbs were rarely over 200g/day anyway. I did try HFLC around 150 lbs and 1400 cal/day because I was starting to feel crazy hungry all the time, but it didn't seem to make things any easier or help weight come off faster so I gave it up as too much trouble. I have naturally settled into about 100g carbs/day which gives me plenty of room to play around with any food I like.

                      My goal is just a number that seemed like a respectable middle-aged weight when I started, lol. I can see now that I can do better, which is actually very freeing when it comes to playing around with eating strategies.
                      50yo, 5'3"
                      SW-195
                      CW-125, part calorie counting, part transition to primal
                      GW- Goals are no longer weight-related

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by LauraSB View Post
                        Fortunately for me I was well into my weight loss before I found MDA. I had already decided on my own that grains were a bad investment when I only had so many calories to spend, so my carbs were rarely over 200g/day anyway. I did try HFLC around 150 lbs and 1400 cal/day because I was starting to feel crazy hungry all the time, but it didn't seem to make things any easier or help weight come off faster so I gave it up as too much trouble. I have naturally settled into about 100g carbs/day which gives me plenty of room to play around with any food I like.

                        My goal is just a number that seemed like a respectable middle-aged weight when I started, lol. I can see now that I can do better, which is actually very freeing when it comes to playing around with eating strategies.
                        I never really felt normal until I got brave enough to play with my food...maybe it was my Mom saying "Don't play with your food" all those years, but 'carbs' are such an easy target for elimination, that we get stuck in a low carb rut and find it hard to break free.

                        Comment


                        • Day 1: 178.3
                          Day 2: 182.0 (gained 4lbs in one day, undoing most of my hard low-carb work - delightful!)

                          Thanks everyone for the replies and advice. Good point, flyingpig, about 'why go from one extreme to the other'. The answer is that I am trying to find something that produces weight loss for me - I thought the science behind low-carb/moderate-protein/high-fat/calorie-deficit was totally plausible and therefore that it would work, but it didn't. It was only by avoiding all the things that might make the approach fail (too much protein, too many over-all calories) that I could test it properly. I'm less sure of the science behind the potato diet (purely because it hasn't been studied as much) but I'd like to test it properly, without variables that might affect the results (adding in protein or fat). I don't expect to eat this way for the rest of my life, but I find that if I don't see results from a WOE I get very discouraged and want to give up. Now, that might be a character flaw of mine and and your response might be 'you have to be patient', but it's just something I have to work with. I'll give up grains, legumes, sweets, sugar, Diet Coke and sitting on the couch, but I'd like some results in return!

                          So, basically, the reason I'm not starting by adding a few potatoes into my existing diet is that I just don't see how adding 100g or carbs to a low-carb diet can result in fat loss - I don't understand what mechanism would make that happen. I'm willing to try everything to lose weight, so it's on my list of things to try, but not at the top.




                          Now, as I mentioned, I've been doing things to blunt the blood sugar spike that comes with the potatoes (taking ALA beforehand, eating with vinegar, drinking some lemon juice just before). I read this comment by tatertot on Richard Nikoley's blog:

                          The theory is because your body needs fat to manufacture insulin, if you are eating ZERO fat, it has to pull fat out of storage to manufacture insulin. Because white potatoes are so highly insulogenic and create such a massive, high GI response, it needs A LOT of insulin – which requires a significant portion of fat. Since you aren’t eating fat along with it, it is forced to go to adipose tissue as a source – and needs quite a bit – to make all that insulin.

                          So when you start combining potatoes with outside sources of protein and fiber – like egg whites, fish or vegetables – you are destroying the “hack.” You are greatly reducing the insulin spike you’re supposed to get, which lessens the immediate fat need from your fat cells to manufacture insulin. The whole point is because potatoes are so massively insulinogenic. If you add stuff, it doesn’t work. It has to be all potatoes.
                          This is very interesting. According to this, it's not the resistant starch that makes this work, it's eating a highly insulogenic food with very low fat. However, my problem with it is I can't find anything to back up the claim that 'your body needs fat to manufacture insulin', or that it can use body fat for that purpose in the absence of dietary fat. Anyone have any thoughts?

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by spacegirl View Post
                            This is very interesting. According to this, it's not the resistant starch that makes this work, it's eating a highly insulogenic food with very low fat. However, my problem with it is I can't find anything to back up the claim that 'your body needs fat to manufacture insulin', or that it can use body fat for that purpose in the absence of dietary fat. Anyone have any thoughts?
                            Just a comment on this question first....I remember chasing the 'insulin from fat' theory around, and it does seem to have some backing in the literature, but I don't think it's enough of a process to account for the fat-loss associated with the Potato Diet.

                            However, the second part--can your body use stored fat in place of dietary fat-- that is a definite 'yes'. That is where the secret behind the Potato Diet's efficiency lies. Any fat-loss diet relies on several things: Enough satiety to prevent the user from going crazy and a calorie deficit.

                            Many who try the potato diet find they can easily eat only 1/2 or so of their normal caloric intake and not feel starved. A little hungry, yes, but not so bad they can't stick it out a week.

                            Potatoes have a little bit of all the protein you need to survive and enough carbs to give you energy, but very little fat. You need fat from somewhere to fuel bodily functions. Your body readily pulls this from body stores as needed in a calorie deficit state.

                            As to whether this is 'right' for you just depends. You don't need to focus on the science, just the way it makes you feel and results. If it feels dumb and you don't like it one bit, don't stress yourself out trying it.

                            If you want to give it a try, I'd recommend cooking up a whole bunch of potatoes you can keep on hand in the fridge for snacks or meals on the go, and eating just potatoes for 3-4 days. If you drop a bunch of weight, continue on a few more days or stop and do it again at a later date. When I say 'just potatoes', I mean it--water/coffee/tea, potatoes, salt/pepper/vinegar. Try not to turn it into an all-you-can-eat, stuff-yourself-til-sick deal, but more of a potato for lunch a couple for dinner and a few bites here and there to stave off hunger.

                            You will know after a day or two if you can sustain it. If you can't--quit. That easy!

                            At the worst, you ate some healthy spuds ( Precision Nutrition » All About Potatoes ). At the best, you lose a little weight and realize that potatoes may be a good tool for weightloss, either alone or in your daily eating.

                            Good luck!

                            Comment


                            • Thanks for the reply. I realise the body needs small amounts of fat for various processes (some vitamins are fat-soluble, etc) - this is one of the reasons why paleo is pro-dietary-fat. I find it hard to square the argument that we need to eat fat to be healthy with the idea that in the absence of dietary fat, the body will just used stored fat for whatever it needs. They can't both be right!

                              But anyway - you're right - I should just do the experiment.

                              Day 1 - 178.3
                              Day 2 - 182.0
                              Day 3 - 181.5 (so down half a pound, but I've still gained 3.2 lbs on this diet so far).

                              On a side note, I think I have developed a tolerance to vinegar in the space of a day - I can't taste it anymore!

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by spacegirl View Post
                                I find it hard to square the argument that we need to eat fat to be healthy with the idea that in the absence of dietary fat, the body will just used stored fat for whatever it needs. They can't both be right!
                                This one drives me bonkers also. The HF/LC makes sense to me, but so does the idea of taking the needed fat from my own @$$.


                                Just a side note, that I thought was funny. Funny isnt the right word, but anyways... DD came down to fix breakfast the other morning, she looked in the frig and said, Oh good, glad you made more potatoes. So she made some hashbrowns.

                                I try to keep them always ready to go in the frig. I use to bake them. Now I buy reds and boil them whole. Could not be easier.

                                I didnt think she noticed, although she has said before, on otherwise highly stressful mornings... she is a single mom, going back to school, moved back home while she finished up, etc. and one morning on the verge of a stress breakdown, she said... "Thank you for always having eggs." Those are the words that came out, but on that particular morning, I know the meaning was much deeper than that

                                Anyways, I look at tators different now. I hardly buy russets anymore, even though they are cheaper. I use to buy them because I figured they would just go to waste anyways, cuz I couldnt eat them, so therefore I hardly fixed them for anyone else either. But now, even though reds are a little bit higher, they are just so easy to fix when I boil them whole. I havent thrown out a tator since last October
                                65lbs gone and counting!!

                                Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X