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  • #76
    Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
    'Rich' is 50K more than you currently make.
    'Comfortable' is 10K more than you currently make.
    'not enough' or 'just enough' is what you currently make.
    Meh, for me "rich" is not about an income number, it's a net worth level high enough to generate enough passive income to supply all my needs at a modest consumption level. Given my current level of material consumption "rich" would be in the $800K-$1.2M range of income-generating assets.

    If you have to work to eat, you are not rich.
    Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

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    • #77
      Wealth ceased to correlate with income during the recent house price boom.
      F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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      • #78
        I'm feeling that buying power is quite different here in NZ, our 'price of living' is probably quite different to those in the US.

        Although I fit into the upper income level on the poll, I'd not say that I'm rich at all, we know plenty of people who earn well over our income and some of them I'd call rich but not all. Very well off, is how I'd describe it.

        Also, not sure how I fit into the 'white' profile either. Genetically I'm not white (or Pakeha as we call it here in NZ), but physically I look white - so does that make me white by default? My mum is Maori but I take after my Dad with green eyes, pale skin and blonde hair. My husband is Maori (and looks it) but has a white Dad, so does that make him more Pakeha than Maori? No idea what that makes our kids! When we fill out forms I always tick 'other' and write in New Zealander, saves hassles.

        I didn't notice any jump in our grocery bill when I switched to primal eating, although so far I'm the only one out of the four of us to do so. I probably spent more than average on food anyway because I didn't do processed crap even before Primal, and I'll always choose a more expensive item if it is what I consider better for me over a cheaper not so good for me item. My generous income allows me to make these choices.

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        • #79
          Also, not sure how I fit into the 'white' profile either.
          Just to state the obvious...

          "White" in the US is a way to say "lacking diversity" in a pejorative way, with a nuance of "sheltered" or perhaps "unfairly empowered". In other words, it's a way to say that something isn't meaningful because the type of people associated with it are homogenous (with the implication that they must exclude others to become homogenous) and have a narrow viewpoint that comes from isolated existence in a position of privilege. It has racial connotations but it also borrows from "white bread", as in, "she's so white bread...."

          Asking for "genetic" race misses the point of the insult. The question is, Are you enjoying an unearned advantage over your fellow humans based on something superficial (such as the color of your skin)? Because if you are your views are less meaningful. Or perhaps it is, Can I dismiss you by claiming you enjoy an unearned advantage? Because if I can that may be socially beneficial within my clique.

          What's your answer now?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Uncephalized View Post
            Meh, for me "rich" is not about an income number, it's a net worth level high enough to generate enough passive income to supply all my needs at a modest consumption level. Given my current level of material consumption "rich" would be in the $800K-$1.2M range of income-generating assets.

            If you have to work to eat, you are not rich.
            Given that definition then only people who can retire are rich. I don't think that's most people's definition of the word.

            Here's an alternative:
            Rich = spending $5 less than you make
            Poor = spending $5 more than you make
            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Him View Post
              What's your answer now?
              Doesn't change my answer. Just serves to confuse me more. I know because of my apparent whiteness I am seen as 'less' of a Maori, so my skin colour is of significance. I also grew up in a Whangai situation where I was brought up by a white family - which means I was adopted by a close family friend or family member, in my case a family friend. So did my upbringing give me a position of priviliege or unearned advantage over my sibling who was not whangai? Not sure although it was certainly different. Growing up in NZ we are all fairly well exposed to educated in Maori culture even if we are quite removed from it like in my situation or even if you aren't Maori.

              In NZ unfortunatley the lower socio-economic groups are over populated with Maori and Pacific Islanders, this impacts the food and lifestyle choices they make. I am do not fit into this group, but I am not rich and white more like 'almost rich and almost white'.

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              • #82
                Considering personal net worth is a function of income and expenses, I'd have to agree with Uncephalized in terms of the technical definition of net worth, which is total assets - total debt.

                If you have positive net worth, your income and expenses are the moving part that helps it jump up and down, potentially into the negatives. If your assets suddenly decline in level to a point that it is outshadowed by debt, it's your own fault for investing in that certain asset in the short term. Although liquidity is king right now, if you know how to time things correctly and manage your ffinances, your net worth shouldn't fluctuate to the red during a financial crisis. But this is assuming you had a good chunk of assets to work with to begin with.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Lizzielou View Post
                  Doesn't change my answer. Just serves to confuse me more.
                  Hah...welcome to my world. That describes 99% of what everyone tells me about everything.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                    Considering personal net worth is a function of income and expenses, I'd have to agree with Uncephalized in terms of the technical definition of net worth, which is total assets - total debt.

                    If you have positive net worth, your income and expenses are the moving part that helps it jump up and down, potentially into the negatives. If your assets suddenly decline in level to a point that it is outshadowed by debt, it's your own fault for investing in that certain asset in the short term. Although liquidity is king right now, if you know how to time things correctly and manage your ffinances, your net worth shouldn't fluctuate to the red during a financial crisis. But this is assuming you had a good chunk of assets to work with to begin with.
                    Agreed. My mortgage is due to be paid off in 11.5 years.
                    F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                    • #85
                      I'm in my 40's. Income in 40,000 range. Went to college but did not graduate. Heritage is enlish, irish, lithuanian, and a smidge of americian indian: so mainly white.

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                      • #86
                        I'm poor. I've found eliminating grains to be the main thing. Other than a few special foods like coconut oil, I am able to do just fine and actually my grocery bill is way down since I cut back on meat. That has been a personal experiment though. Am now thinking I need to add the meat back... and locate some liver.

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                        • #87
                          Paleo is definitely not the diet of rich whites. Rich whites are the bulk of what we would term "the establishment". They are the ones who created SAD. Vegetarianism, or some kind of SAD compatible whole wheat, lean meats, and veggies diet is the diet of the white ruling class. Paleo is more the diet of anti-authority whites and is probably linked more to intellect and personality traits than annual income.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                            Given that definition then only people who can retire are rich. I don't think that's most people's definition of the word.

                            Here's an alternative:
                            Rich = spending $5 less than you make
                            Poor = spending $5 more than you make
                            That's my definition, yes. If you have to work you're not rich. You may be very comfortable and you might have tons of income, but if you are not financially independent then you're dependent on someone else for your basic needs, and that means you're not rich. Obviously doesn't mean you're poor though--I would define poverty as not having enough cashflow to provide for your basic expenses.
                            Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

                            My Primal Journal

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                            • #89
                              It is kinda my definition too.

                              Back when I was... oh.. 18 or so, I worked it out that at that time I needed 2.5 million dollars to be rich. That was the amount that would allow me to live comfortably as a pure capitalist.

                              Nowadays I add a nuance or two.

                              Main nuance: Replace retirement with "do what you want". A person whose passion is to own the best race horse in the world would not be rich at 2.5 million because those horses can cost more than that. On the other hand, a person whose passion is to be a judge may very well be rich as soon as they get a lifetime judicial appointment even though their net worth is low and the income from the appointment is low.

                              It is possible to be rich without a lot of money, and without working. All it takes is for your existence and/or your avocations to provide enough compensation to allow you to maintain your existence and avocations in the style you desire.

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                              • #90
                                47-year-old female German/Irish with a personal income in the $40k range, but household is closer to double that when you figure in The Boyfriend's pay. He's Swedish/Choctaw but doesn't eat Primal or Paleo. As far as my place on the ladder, I would place myself solidly in the L3 category for now (not sure about the BF - maybe a G3?)

                                ETA: Income levels are going to be (literally) all over the map with regard to "wealth". A number like $75k (for one person) is going to be more than enough in many smaller towns while barely scraping by in other larger metroplitan areas.
                                Last edited by RitaRose; 11-30-2012, 10:53 AM.
                                Durp.

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