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  • #31
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    • #32
      Originally posted by quelsen View Post
      Portuguese
      French
      Irish
      Cherokee
      East African


      aka

      African American
      You forgot Awesome... Awesome should be on that list somewhere.
      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        People are either retired like Alan and I or else have jobs which involve computers and the extra time to goof off online while the boss isn't looking.
        And some are also THE boss that can go online as much as he want and without asking anybody...
        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

        - Schopenhauer

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        • #34
          I'm curious how age might affect these figures too. Some younger folks have posted and the income seems to vary. I'm 24, white (mixed European, mostly slavic, ancestry), making $35k. My boyfriend is taking a break from school, $14/hr at a temp job, 1/4 Native American and the rest is white (mixed European ancestry). The cost of living is high around here, so we struggle, but we get by. If it weren't for illness and injury, we'd just have student loans (mine) and car loan (his) to pay off and would be fairly comfy with just enough extra income for a few nights out every month (or I could spend it on quality food instead of getting the cheap grocery store meat).
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          • #35
            I suppose middle class. Well, there are a lot of things I can't afford, fortunately good quality food is not one of them.
            White, East European ancestry.

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            • #36
              I'm curious how age might affect these figures too.
              A lot. Younger = lower paid, and less time to have accumulated anything including body fat.

              To the extent that primal appeals to fat (at 270lbs I can say that) people, it's going to include a disproportionate number of people who changed social classes at least 5-10 years before their interest. Becoming a student, graduating, getting a better/worse job than your parents had, retiring, etc. all qualify as class changes as far as I can tell. Statistically speaking, people who move classes tend to weigh a fair amount more than people who don't, and it takes a few years to gain enough weight that people start looking for answers.

              That certainly describes me...grew up in a resource-bound family (in other words: poor), currently have more money than sense (in other words: not a lot, but enough to do damage). Went from cooking everything at home (and I'm learning that if you drop the bread/rice/beans/pasta "filler" I grew up cooking, my core cooking style is very "primal") to eating out whenever I wanted. Went from active (I walked to work, walked to the grocery store, walked home carrying gallons of milk and everything else...I probably averaged 7-10 miles a day) to having a car and living in a suburb 6 miles (with zero sidewalks) from the nearest store, 20+ miles from work. Gained a lot of weight. Now I need to make changes, so I'm here. Reading some of the posts, it seems like my story isn't particularly unique.

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              • #37
                I read this interesting blog post describing the class distinctions in the United States. Lots of people here will claim to belong to a class they're not really in because in actuality, the amount of money you have is not the deciding factor for what class/how much social mobility/access to power you have. In other words, the poll listing income as a way to determine whether we are "rich and white" isn't the best way to determine if we all belong to the same or to different classes. According to this article, I'm in the same social ladder as President Obama (a member of the Gentry). He's just a bit further up the ladder than me. I'm not in the same social ladder as either of the George Bushes (Elite) and never will be.
                The 3-ladder system of social class in the U.S. « Michael O.Church
                Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                • #38
                  I'm white and 25, last year was the first time my income broke 10k. Primal doesn't cost any more or less than you want to spend. Even when I'm superbroke, I can eat primal: I had $40 for groceries for 2 weeks at my last job. $40 got me 3 lbs of marked-down ground beef ($6), 2 lbs liver ($3), 6 dozen eggs ($16), 4lbs butter ($12) and a few dollars worth of squash, Brussels sprouts or kale. Throw in one IF day a week, and it might not be the most decadent way to eat, but it's primal and affordable, even for the broke.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                    I read this interesting blog post describing the class distinctions in the United States. Lots of people here will claim to belong to a class they're not really in because in actuality, the amount of money you have is not the deciding factor for what class/how much social mobility/access to power you have. In other words, the poll listing income as a way to determine whether we are "rich and white" isn't the best way to determine if we all belong to the same or to different classes. According to this article, I'm in the same social ladder as President Obama (a member of the Gentry). He's just a bit further up the ladder than me. I'm not in the same social ladder as either of the George Bushes (Elite) and never will be.
                    The 3-ladder system of social class in the U.S. « Michael O.Church
                    i'll have to check out that article later, but from your overview i think i'm going to like it, except for the similarity to sounding a bit like a caste system. i feel like class, both social and economic, is going to be a continually divisive issue in the US for a while.

                    so...how many rungs down from the president would you guess you are? 2? 3 maybe?
                    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread60178.html

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                    • #40
                      Obama is G1 and I'm G3. So only 2 apart. Most of the people here claiming to be poor are G4 (some college), L3 and L4 (blue collar workers). I don't think very many here are part of the permanent underclass. This caste system has little to do with race, only a little to do with birth/family, and has more mobility than a caste system like India's.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Him View Post
                        A lot. Younger = lower paid, and less time to have accumulated anything including body fat.
                        I think the discrepancies with this stand out more to me because I look for people who are similarly aged/in similar circumstances. Uncephalized is close to my age, but making a fair amount more. I'm a college grad, but not using my degree. I wonder if that affects income too. My first job after graduating was within 3 months (had worked part-time in school at $11/hr) and paid $27k/yr. Both my parents graduated with bachelors degrees (English and Engineering). Both my boyfriend's parents went to school, but his dad never finished (just a couple credits away from graduating, but something happened and he started working instead).

                        I'm also in this for mental health, and never really *needed* to lose weight (135lbs at 5'6" is not really unhealthy, but I felt awful). I lost about 15 lbs though. I have definitely read about people close to my age who come on here looking to lose body fat, and more than a little.
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                        • #42
                          I read this interesting blog post describing the class distinctions in the United States.
                          Interesting article. I don't agree with it, but it was an interesting read.

                          My disagreement comes not from the ladders the author describes, but from the assumption that each ladder is homogenous in viewpoint...and to an extent by the characterizations of those views. I am (by the author's standards) continuing at least 5 generations of "gentry" family tradition, yet the author passes me over to give the title "people who are effectively thugs" to members of the "elite" ladder. That seems wrong on several levels.

                          I think the discrepancies with this stand out more to me because I look for people who are similarly aged/in similar circumstances.
                          Absolutely...you look for common ground, or at least I do, and at a superficial level there is probably not much common ground between you and a 50yo worried more about the extra 50lbs she is carrying than spending more of her family's $100+K/yr income on groceries. I've honestly never figured out how deep that gap really is...maybe we're all more similar than we seem....
                          Last edited by Him; 11-27-2012, 02:14 PM.

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                          • #43
                            If I had to start feeding my family on minimal wage tomorrow, I would just go rice, beans, potatoes and the cheapest bulk cuts of meat like roasts and tubs of reg ground beef, plus whatever veggies and fruit are on sale/dirt cheap. It is different in the States probably, but here junk food is actually more expensive than this sort of fresh fare that requires (gasp) cooking. Dairy is insanely expensive so I would just cook in whatever fat comes with the cheap meat.... Primal might be for more well to do folks, but whole foods are pretty much for everyone who is not lazy to cook.
                            Last edited by Leida; 11-27-2012, 02:16 PM.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                              Obama is G1 and I'm G3. So only 2 apart. Most of the people here claiming to be poor are G4 (some college), L3 and L4 (blue collar workers). I don't think very many here are part of the permanent underclass. This caste system has little to do with race, only a little to do with birth/family, and has more mobility than a caste system like India's.
                              at a quick glance i appear to be a G3 too...but it's a little confusing. financially i feel like i'm more in the lifestyle description of L3, and definitely come from an L4 family (though, my parents have climbed to L3 over the years), i just happen to do well in school while doing more labor-type work...but i'm the anomaly in my family.
                              this is me cherry picking parts of this thing. i can't wait to read the rest.
                              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread60178.html

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                                I read this interesting blog post describing the class distinctions in the United States. Lots of people here will claim to belong to a class they're not really in because in actuality, the amount of money you have is not the deciding factor for what class/how much social mobility/access to power you have. In other words, the poll listing income as a way to determine whether we are "rich and white" isn't the best way to determine if we all belong to the same or to different classes. According to this article, I'm in the same social ladder as President Obama (a member of the Gentry). He's just a bit further up the ladder than me. I'm not in the same social ladder as either of the George Bushes (Elite) and never will be.
                                The 3-ladder system of social class in the U.S. « Michael O.Church
                                I'm going to have to read through the later parts of that article later, but it's an interesting analysis of social class that seems far better suited to analysing the differences between groups than simply looking at income scale. In those categories, I'd be a G2 now. I think it's a particularly useful tool in looking at cultures such as the one in my province, where many skilled tradespeople make incomes well into the six figure range whereas people in my social circle are often in the $50-100k range (faculty members, consultants, lawyers, researchers, writers, etc.) despite often having 6-10 years of post-secondary education.

                                So do you theorize that paleo/primal is more common in one of those ladders than in others?
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