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  • The Vegan Blues

    Hi all -

    Somehow I've surrounded myself with amazing, funny, intelligent women --- who have gone vegan, one within the last year or two. I also have a friend who suffers from chronic cardio on top of doing a pseudo veganism. (Doesn't understand how she gained 20 pounds, but telling the whole world how healthy she is and how she disagrees with what most people think of as healthy. *sigh*)

    I'm old enough to know that talking won't do much good. They are convinced how healthy they are despite some starling evidence to the contrary. I cringe when I hear about the constant cold type illnesses and the weight gain issues. It's so frustrating. I know what's going on (including the biochemistry) but I'm powerless to prevent this self inflicted suffering.

    And yeah, I know I'm taking this too seriously but it's still bumming me out. Any thoughts on how to counter the vegan blues?

    Amy

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    Originally posted by AFishOut View Post
    Hi all -

    Somehow I've surrounded myself with amazing, funny, intelligent women --- who have gone vegan, one within the last year or two. I also have a friend who suffers from chronic cardio on top of doing a pseudo veganism. (Doesn't understand how she gained 20 pounds, but telling the whole world how healthy she is and how she disagrees with what most people think of as healthy. *sigh*)

    I'm old enough to know that talking won't do much good. They are convinced how healthy they are despite some starling evidence to the contrary. I cringe when I hear about the constant cold type illnesses and the weight gain issues. It's so frustrating. I know what's going on (including the biochemistry) but I'm powerless to prevent this self inflicted suffering.

    And yeah, I know I'm taking this too seriously but it's still bumming me out. Any thoughts on how to counter the vegan blues?

    Amy
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    • #3
      If only life were that simple. (Although I'm seriously thinking about it for the friend who went vegan in this last year for other reasons.) These are otherwise intelligent funny ladies that I connect with and it's not just me - we homeschool and my kids seriously connect with their kids. Neither one has tried to "push" vegan or vegetarianism on us. The only person I know who "gets" Paleo in the homeschool circle I hang with doesn't connect with me or the kids.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by AFishOut View Post
        If only life were that simple. (Although I'm seriously thinking about it for the friend who went vegan in this last year for other reasons.) These are otherwise intelligent funny ladies that I connect with and it's not just me - we homeschool and my kids seriously connect with their kids. Neither one has tried to "push" vegan or vegetarianism on us. The only person I know who "gets" Paleo in the homeschool circle I hang with doesn't connect with me or the kids.

        Be happy that you are healthy and doing what is right for you. If their lifestyles do not work out for them, hope they ask what is working so well for you. As long as they are not pushing their agenda there is no reason to push yours (ours). Have fun and more importantly let your kids have fun.

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        • #5
          As someone who's religious beliefs (or lack thereof) have always been in the minority, I've learned one hard fact: you have to take the bad with the good. If these women are great to hang out with, who cares what they eat? Diversity, baby, diversity. If I only socialized with atheists or buddhists, I wouldn't have very many people to talk to.
          "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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          • #6
            I am always trying to convert people to PB. I know girls in their twenties with PCOS and diabetes...it is so sad.

            I try not to waste my energy 'casting pearls before swine'. Some people just don't want to open their minds!

            One person even told me that organic food was dumb, genetically modified food was safe, and that we needed to trust the federal regulatory system.

            L.O.L.

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            • #7
              Lead by example. Once they see how healthy you are, they're likely to question their own choices. If not, who cares? They're grown adults, it's their life to live. Be secretly smug if you want, but ultimately you can't lecture them into doing something they're adamantly against.
              F 28/5'4/100 lbs

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              • #8
                Originally posted by AFishOut View Post
                Hi all -

                Somehow I've surrounded myself with amazing, funny, intelligent women --- who have gone vegan, one within the last year or two. I also have a friend who suffers from chronic cardio on top of doing a pseudo veganism. (Doesn't understand how she gained 20 pounds, but telling the whole world how healthy she is and how she disagrees with what most people think of as healthy. *sigh*)

                I'm old enough to know that talking won't do much good. They are convinced how healthy they are despite some starling evidence to the contrary. I cringe when I hear about the constant cold type illnesses and the weight gain issues. It's so frustrating. I know what's going on (including the biochemistry) but I'm powerless to prevent this self inflicted suffering.

                And yeah, I know I'm taking this too seriously but it's still bumming me out. Any thoughts on how to counter the vegan blues?

                Amy

                as Robb Wolf says: "Trying to convince people to save their own ass will burn you out."
                Primal/Paleo is not for everyone, it's for those who have committed to understand.
                READ THE BOOK! ...as Robb Wolf says: "Trying to convince people to save their own ass will burn you out."

                Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for -- the pure enjoyment of food. Anthony Bourdain

                and yes, calories DO count my little piggies

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                • #9
                  It will be OK. Nothing you can do. It's not worth being upset over.

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                  • #10
                    i'm with the take good with bad camp. and more often than not, you find way more good than bad anyway.

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                    • #11
                      I totally relate to the OP's confusion with vegetarians, but I agree with most of the repondants here that, whatever lifestyle choices people make, it's best to just express yourself civilly and then, if they're not into it, just move along. Our first responsibility is to ourselves and families.

                      But....yeah, I deal with a clique of vegetarian girls. They all look ten years older than they are, they all have zero muscle density ("skinny fat" is the best thing you could say about them), and I know that all three are struggling with "irregular periods" (code for being effectively menopausal at age 33, I'm told). I suppose I'm not so much bothered by their choices (after all, I respect dudes who opt to eat Doritos and Pepsi all day long) but rather their delusion that this is "healthy", and their trust in their cult-like culture.

                      But I expressed myself and did my Christian duty, and I can do no more. As Robb Wolf (and common sense) say, it's way better to just invest those concerns on myself and family, not these others.

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                      • #12
                        The only reason that anyone in my social circle listens to me, is because I lost 130 lbs, they all knew me at 325 lbs, so I am the neighborhood guru on all things Paleo. I tell them what I know, encourage them to look to the experts (Mark, Robb, Nora...), and then let them be.

                        It's hard because I am real militant about being Paleo (mainly my family gets the brunt of that!), but we have cousins who are vegan and I don't want their crappy attitude about how people choose to eat, so I tend to keep my mouth shut unless someone asks specifically.

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                        • #13
                          At least by going vegan they are thinking about food and lifestyle and resisiting the industrial mainstream!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by fifer View Post
                            At least by going vegan they are thinking about food and lifestyle and resisiting the industrial mainstream!
                            Normally, I would agree, except that the industrial mainstream gives the vegans pseudo foods like Not Dogs, Boca Burgers, vegan mayo, vegan cheese, and all the plethora of "healthy" vegetable oils.

                            But you are right in that they are really trying to put their health first.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by AFishOut View Post
                              They are convinced how healthy they are despite some starling evidence to the contrary.
                              Sounds like paleo. j/k

                              But seriously, we have like 80% in common with vegans. The 20% is a LARGE 20% for sure (WHeat vs Meat), but at least both groups care about eating healthily, and avoiding processed junk.
                              Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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                              5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
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