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  • #16
    Ron Paul interested us in Saskatchewan!

    [QUOTE=AlanC;996142]As someone else said, it's really quite the opposite of that.

    How can YOU complain, if you participated in the farce of 'elections'?

    1. Your vote won't make any difference TO YOU. Your tax burden and other such things are not going to change based on your single vote.

    2. Your vote won't make any difference in general. If it really did it would be 'illegal'.

    3. Voting just encourages them.

    4. Even if you find someone you agree with on 100% of the issues (which you won't), they're lying anyway. Always have done.

    5. By voting you are condoning a system that is barely one step beyond monarchy, itself just one step beyond slavery. Slavery has virtually died out now, monarchy is fading and eventually so will this whole "government" thing (which is basically the threat of violence wearing a uniform and wrapped in a flag). Why keep it going?

    6. It costs you time, effort and money. How hideously sad it would be if you were involved in a traffic accident, just to 'vote'?

    7. If you DO vote, people tend to ask 'Who for?' Far better to simply reply "None of them."

    8. Ron Paul has retired, therefore the one and only good reason for voting is no longer relevant.



    We watched early efforts by people such as Ron Paul. I am not a US citizen and not a Libertarian, yet he spoke truth to me and other friends.

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    • #17
      @sbhikes....good points!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Bushrat View Post

        Actually, as a non American, its easy to see that Obama and Romney are interchangeable, as were Bush and Obama.
        = OBAMNY

        Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil.

        Local elections are different.
        Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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        • #19
          I would rather vote and potentially have an impact on who is pulling the shots for the country than to have not participated at all. It's interesting to me that people in the rest of the world don't really see the difference between (potential) leaders here. Maybe it's just a distance-perspective thing, maybe it's a lack of caring, maybe it's a lack of information. I don't see it that way at all, though I would admit that neither candidate is ideal. I don't like this bipartisan system, but it's what we've got, so I'm going to work with it until I can come up with a way to effect change. Not voting just seems like "not doing anything".
          Depression Lies

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          • #20
            Nameless, please describe the difference in policies between Rom and Bom?

            Then name a time that any politician, including Obama, has kept to their promises or policies anyway?

            The people outside of America can see there's no difference between the 2 precisely because we're outside and can see the bigger picture. Obama is a dark-skinned Bush, same as Romney will be a light-skinned Obama. They just change them around now and then so you think there's a difference.

            So I ask again, scaremongering aside, what is the actual difference?

            Not the rhetoric, foot-stamping and chest-thumping, the actual difference?

            For example apart from $50, what's the difference between Romneycare in Mass. where you'd be fined $230 for not buying prescribed health insurance, or the national Obamacare where you get fined $280?

            Can you 'vote' for "not get fined anything"? No? Then what use is "voting"?

            Republicans always talk of reducing the size and cost of government. Great. Show me any time they have EVER done that, under ANY republican president? Ever?

            You can say the same about the democrats, in fact while I dislike their rhetoric as the bastard-child of communism that it is, I respect that they're at least vaguely honest about their socialism.

            So wannabe commies or those that claim they're anti-commie but act like they're commies, vote like they're commies and generally have the same effect as the wannabe commies do/did?

            I don't see there's any choice there, nor is there any reason for voting if there's no choice to vote for.



            AC

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            • #21
              There is a distinction between Fed'l and local, so I should amend my above post. I won't vote in Fed'l elections. I would certainly vote on local issues if there was anything important to me.
              "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

              B*tch-lite

              Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by AlanC View Post
                Nameless, please describe the difference in policies between Rom and Bom?

                Then name a time that any politician, including Obama, has kept to their promises or policies anyway?
                No.

                No.

                I'm not doing your research for you. You can easily find this information by, however skewed it may be, reading American media accounts of the candidates proposed policies.

                I didn't say everything was perfect. I didn't say I liked everything about my preferred candidate's proposed policies.

                I'd just rather work WITH the system, than say "the system sucks" and not do a damn thing.
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                • #23
                  I did a bunch of research, and the conclusion I came up with is that there is no difference between Romney and Obama.

                  If you think there is a difference, you didn't do any research.

                  100 Ways Mitt Romney Is Just Like Barack Obama

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                  • #24
                    Nameless, my point is not that I want you to tell me, it's that I don't believe YOU can articulate the difference.




                    AC

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by texas.grok View Post
                      I will not vote. I refuse to participate in a corrupt system. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
                      +1

                      I have no plans to leave the house tomorrow, too many important things to do at the homestead getting ready for the shit that's gonna hit the economic fan no matter which puppets go to (or remain in) Washington.

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                      • #26
                        vote. and for the record, there are more than two candidates. the apathy on display here is a privilege, one that comes about because our society is so robust and prosperous, despite whatever troubles we're facing. vote.

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                        • #27
                          Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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                          • #28
                            Not going to a Vote means beeing ok with the outcome.
                            It is the oportunity to speak ons oppinion and sitting on a couch isn't protest, it is just lazy.
                            And it is quite ironic, when american people do not vote, while they are fighting wars to spread democracy.

                            When ever there is a vote here, i take the opportunity to speak up, and to take my vote. Not because I agree with the partys or with the political establishment. But because I believe in democracy and that it is important to stand up and use your rights, before someone takes them away because you don't bother anyway.

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                            • #29
                              I am not voting this year. Period.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by jakey View Post
                                vote. and for the record, there are more than two candidates. the apathy on display here is a privilege, one that comes about because our society is so robust and prosperous, despite whatever troubles we're facing. vote.
                                I don't think its apathy at all. What makes a conscious decision to not vote based on a persons informed decision apathetic? If you don't condone the process that is taking place why continue to support it? I'm not even stating that I will not be voting (I actually will...particularly against one guy...and this will be local). What I'm saying is that I actually think the no vote says something when you've come to that conclusion thoughtfully.
                                Last edited by Neckhammer; 11-05-2012, 05:24 PM.

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