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  • #16
    I don't have direct experience but consider pelvic bowl work. Several people I know (med students and providers) are receiving this and raving about it. Tami Kent is a leader in this work and is a teacher too. If you can find someone that has trained with her, you'll likely be in good hands. At minimum, it's worth a shot before surgery.

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    • #17
      My sister had surgery for this last year, but did not have a hysterectomy. She just had everything stitched back up into place. As far as I know she has had no further problems.

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      • #18
        T-Tapp organs-in-place (actually an exercise which strengthens the transverse abs, especially effective if you do a kegel at the same time): Flat Stomach Secrets by Teresa Tapp

        I've only used it to flatten my stomach, although I've read a lot of mothers do it twice a day to avoid prolapse.

        I've also heard of something else called the Tupler method, but I think it's quite time-consuming.

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        • #19
          I so appreciate the stories and the advice and the words of encouragement. This issue is so damn frustrating. I went from sprinting and sledgehammering with the 20 year old to prone on the couch popping antibiotics. Hard to stay Primal when you feel sorry for yourself, but I am strangely still committed.

          I do know hysterectomies are not what they were when Phil Donahue vilified them back in the 1980s. I honestly just want to avoid anesthesia, really.

          Yesterday I did planks and leg lifts and will today sit on my Bosu or other ball and do some upper body with lighter weights. It is difficult to plank when two big dogs decide you are on the floor to play with them! I feel the need for cardio, but that will have to wait.

          Enjoying the last of my decaf with ghee/heavy cream and really appreciating everyone's input.
          Last edited by PHaselow; 10-22-2012, 06:58 AM.
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          • #20
            I'm 24, but I've experienced weakened pelvic floor muscles. I believe it was a round of terrible UTI's and yeast infections in college that started messing things up, along with not doing kegels (and I was not capable of orgasming at that time due to my anti-depressants). I remember this topic coming up some time ago here on MDA and the Kegelmaster was recommended. When I kept feeling urgency without any actual need to go, I got an appointment with a specialist and they told me my muscles were weak and stringy, and that I should see a physical therapist.

            I had physical therapy for my issues for a while in college. Hated my PT. I was not comfortable (at that time) doing the manual stretching she wanted me to do, and she was not very good at explaining to me how to do it or putting me at ease. I think it would be best to involve a specialist and/or physical therapist for this so they can tell you how much is too much work given your progression and the intensity of your issues.. I know I've heard from other women that something like the Kegelmaster, some kind of progressive stretching/stimulating device, can be used, but that most doctors will encourage PT. It really depends on what you are more comfortable with.

            When I started, I was told to do 10 kegels 3x daily, and sometimes hold it for 10 seconds. I've definitely noticed improvements with just bodyweight squats, too. My issues flare up every now and then because I'm lazy about the "exercises" and constipation messes me up if I don't work really hard not to strain.
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            • #21
              Calling a uro-gynecologist this morning. Let's cross our fingers that she will see me before the New Year. *sigh*

              I might have to have my husband (MD) pull rank. I can't go months without knowing what is going on here...

              I put a humongous caramel apple in my grocery cart this morning, telling myself I'll just eat one slice. Knowing better, I put it back at the end of my shop.
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              Start date: 7-5-12
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              121lbs
              GOAL: to live to be a healthy and active 100


              "In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."
              Henri Frederic Amiel

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              • #22
                Originally posted by PHaselow View Post
                Calling a uro-gynecologist this morning. Let's cross our fingers that she will see me before the New Year. *sigh*

                I might have to have my husband (MD) pull rank. I can't go months without knowing what is going on here...

                I put a humongous caramel apple in my grocery cart this morning, telling myself I'll just eat one slice. Knowing better, I put it back at the end of my shop.
                Best of luck w/ your appt. I work for a general surgeon and he recommended a I see a fellowship trained uro-gyn surgeon even though I really wanted him to do the surgery if needed.

                BTW, does 'imaginary' shopping for sweets count as a cheat?
                Some people just need a sympathetic pat... On the head... With a hammer.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by AuroraB View Post
                  Best of luck w/ your appt. I work for a general surgeon and he recommended a I see a fellowship trained uro-gyn surgeon even though I really wanted him to do the surgery if needed.

                  BTW, does 'imaginary' shopping for sweets count as a cheat?
                  Can't see the MD until the end of December, so I made an appointment to see her nurse practitioner in 2 weeks. I just can't wait 2 months. Sex life sucks, too... so I know my husband can't wait 2 months!

                  Imaginary shopping better not count as a cheat or else I am living the 20/80 Primal lifestyle instead of 80/20!
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                  Age 48
                  Start date: 7-5-12
                  5'3"
                  121lbs
                  GOAL: to live to be a healthy and active 100


                  "In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."
                  Henri Frederic Amiel

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                    ...What I want you to know is that this type of hysterectomy only takes the uterus. You are left with your cervix, ovaries, and all the ligaments that keep you from peeing uncontrollably. You will not dry up. Neither the quantity nor the quality of my orgasms changed. Sex was exactly the same except I could no longer get pregnant - at 40, this was only a relief. You will not grow a beard - that only happens if they take your ovaries, and there are meds for that, and it doesn't sound like ovaries are your issue...
                    i just wanted to ditto what Joanie said - i didn't have pelvic floor problems but i did have an out of control mushy uterus (adenymiosis, or something like that) which tormented me for years with pain and incessant bleeding. I tried everything before coming to the conclusion that hysterectomy was the answer. Luckily for me, i had a dr who could perform it laproscopically. IT IS AMAZING!!! After all those years of suffering, i have truly never felt better. In fact, that plus no wheat has improved my life dramatically!!!

                    i was out walking in the neighborhood the day after i got home and i went for an ez hike in the woods the day after that. What i'm trying to say is that the recovery time is very quick and i was back on my bike w/in 6 wks.

                    i have a friend who also had the same type of surgery for prolapsed uterus and i believe she's very happy with the results.

                    edit: i was 38 and i think my friend was about the same or maybe 40 when this procedure was done
                    Last edited by Catherine; 10-22-2012, 10:31 AM.

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                    • #25
                      I'm finding info that Kegels can actually cause damage to the pelvic floor, not help it. Check out this link.
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                      • #26
                        Mama Sweat: Pelvic Floor Party: Kegels are NOT invited.
                        That's an interview with the aforementioned Katy and someone to encourages kegels. Really interesting! It makes a lot of sense, the way they describe a need for even muscle use (like working your pecs will mess up your back, if you don't work them evenly), and how squats can help.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                          Mama Sweat: Pelvic Floor Party: Kegels are NOT invited.
                          That's an interview with the aforementioned Katy and someone to encourages kegels. Really interesting! It makes a lot of sense, the way they describe a need for even muscle use (like working your pecs will mess up your back, if you don't work them evenly), and how squats can help.
                          Second this article. Many pelvic floor issues that are not related to childbirth seem to be caused by bad posture habits or straining during bowel movements.

                          I am 49 (almost 50) and was taught to tuck in my bum and hold in my abs: a recipe for pelvic floor prolapse! Fortunately, when I was 36, I took private dance/movement lessons & my younger teacher taught me to relax my belly & let my spine curve naturally. Squats are the best!

                          I also recommend proper "potty posture". Check out the Squatty Potty site for more info.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by PHaselow View Post
                            Can't see the MD until the end of December, so I made an appointment to see her nurse practitioner in 2 weeks. I just can't wait 2 months. Sex life sucks, too... so I know my husband can't wait 2 months!

                            Imaginary shopping better not count as a cheat or else I am living the 20/80 Primal lifestyle instead of 80/20!
                            Maybe this would be a good time to hone your non-penetration sex skills (and his).
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                              Maybe this would be a good time to hone your non-penetration sex skills (and his).
                              Or hire a stunt double.
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                              Age 48
                              Start date: 7-5-12
                              5'3"
                              121lbs
                              GOAL: to live to be a healthy and active 100


                              "In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."
                              Henri Frederic Amiel

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                              • #30
                                lol!

                                :::whisper::: no, don't do that, he might like it too much
                                "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                                B*tch-lite

                                Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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