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    I started PB towards the end of June. I just quit eating all the crap and started eating meat and veges. I eat the same things over and over. Boring, but I guess effective. I went from approximately 230 to 200 so fast it was scary. However, I really don't feel great. I am somewhat lethargic and don't feel like doing much. I know that I'm not exercising much, so maybe increasing that would help. Slow to get back in shape because on June 22 of this year, I had a cardiac ablation to treat afib. I don't seem to have much of an appetite and all of my clothes are falling off of me. I am 57 and 6'7'' and weigh around 200. Maybe I just need a pep talk. Thanks for any advice. I have read the 21 day plan and I think I nailed it. I'm just missing something. Mr. C

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    are you sure you're eating enough? jeebus, that's a pretty low weight for a guy your height.

    could it be the recovery from your procedure that is running you down?
    As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

    Ernest Hemingway

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    • #3
      Mr C, I have had a bout of fatigue, moodiness, lack of motivation etc.... I have been doing moderate exersize through out.....so something was amiss. I upped the potassium, magnesium and zinc - 2 wks ago, and am feeling like a different person. I wonder if you are just lacking in something ???? and no I am not an advocate of taking suppliments, however that is what has gotten me through this wee patch. I will finish each bottle, (approx 1 month supply) and then stop them and see where that goes.
      I do however also agree with noodletoy. You are a very tall man, and tall strapping lads NEED alot of food to get them through !!!!
      If you are on medications thou, please do your homework before adding anything else
      Good luck
      G
      "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

      ...small steps....

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      • #4
        If you are eating the same things over and over again.. you may be missing out on some vitamins or minerals. Or your macros may need to be tweaked for you to feel optimal.

        I was primal for about 8 months and hit a wall... felt like utter crap and almost threw in the towel. I'm really glad I didn't. I feel better than I have in decades now. I could go through the list of what I changed etc.. but I think the best advice I could give you is if you aren't tracking your food in some sort of app, then start doing that. The mobile apps make it easy if you have a mobile device and you will start to be able to analyze your diet more objectively. Then you can start tweaking macro ratios etc.. to really dial things in where you feel your best.

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        • #5
          You mentioned ablation, are you on any beta blockers? I am in my 30's and had a heart issue (ventricular tachycardia). I had the electrical study but they couldn't get it to act up again to ablate, so they stuck me on beta blockers. I felt like I had my energy and drive slashed in half the entire time, I couldn't stand it and begged the cardiologist to wean me off the meds and see if I was ok without. Thankfully I was.

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          • #6
            OP, I went through patches where I felt the same way, and what worked for me was upping natural supplements. Lots of pink sea salt. Brazil Nuts (for Selenium). Nori (for Iodine). Magnesium.
            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

            Griff's cholesterol primer
            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
            bloodorchid is always right

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            • #7
              I would agree with the question of whether you are eating enough. I felt horrible last Spring and only got on the road to recovery once I upped my food intake. I even have a bit to lose (175, 5'3") but still needed to ensure my body was getting enough to function properly.

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              • #8
                I don't know if it's cool to reply to all at one time, but here goes. No, I take increased mag, potass, for my afib. Most people with rhythym issues tend to be low in mag and also have a poor K to Na ratio. Research indicates that our caveman ancestors probably had a 12 to 1 K to Na ratio. Today we should strive for at least 4 to 1. It's tough because everything is loaded with sodium. I am on no meds of any kind, finally. I was on beta blockers. Meeshar...Google beta blues and you'll see why you felt like crap. Meeshar, you also might benefit from reading some data on the website, afibbers.org, great stuff. I may need to eat more, but since starting primal, I don't have much appetite. I will start tracking my diet, but I don't even know how many calories I need. What are macro ratios? I am upping my exercise, so I'll need more I guess. Thanks everyone for your kind words and supports.
                Mr. C

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                • #9
                  Ah, good to hear. It was potassium for me--I had a prescription for about a year after my issue, and now I just take an OTC supplement along with mag. He had me on beta blockers "just in case", so I'm glad I didn't have to be on them long.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mr.C View Post
                    I may need to eat more, but since starting primal, I don't have much appetite.
                    Processed food tends to be really high in carbohydrate, so if you are reducing your processed food intake, you are cutting back on carbs. There's a limit as to how much protein you can eat in a day (as you say, you don't have much appetite for more). So you have probably spontaneously reduced your total calorie. If you want to increase your calorie consumption, try shooting for increased fats. I personally found that cream was a very energy dense source of calories.

                    Originally posted by Mr.C View Post
                    I will start tracking my diet, but I don't even know how many calories I need. What are macro ratios?
                    Macros are just carbohydrates, fats and proteins. Protein stays between 20% and 33% pretty much no matter what you do, so when people are talking about ratios they are really talking about fat-carb ratio. E.g. A 'normal' person probably eats approximately 60% carb, 25% protein, 15% fat. The 25% protein is fine, but I would shoot for 35-60% fat (which ranges between doubling or quadrupling fat intake compared to a more conventional diet).
                    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                    Griff's cholesterol primer
                    5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                    Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                    TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                    bloodorchid is always right

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                      If you want to increase your calorie consumption, try shooting for increased fats. I personally found that cream was a very energy dense source of calories.


                      Macros are just carbohydrates, fats and proteins. Protein stays between 20% and 33% pretty much no matter what you do, so when people are talking about ratios they are really talking about fat-carb ratio. E.g. A 'normal' person probably eats approximately 60% carb, 25% protein, 15% fat. The 25% protein is fine, but I would shoot for 35-60% fat (which ranges between doubling or quadrupling fat intake compared to a more conventional diet).
                      I totally agree with MM, and it is easy to increase your fat. For example, if I was eating 1400 calories/day, and I wanted 50% fat, that is 700 calories which equates to 100gm of butter !, so it aint much, however your calorie intake should be twice if not three x the amount I am on - so you can have a party !!!!! If you want dial-a-crowd....I'm in....us old gwammas are always keen for a party !!!!
                      "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                      ...small steps....

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                      • #12
                        Whenever I hear that people are tired after removing processed foods from their diet, I immediately think low iodine intake. Hypothyroidism used to be a big problem in the US, until they started adding iodine to refined salt.

                        So when you cut out refined salt (from all the processed crap), you're getting rid of much of your iodine intake, which can lead to poor thyroid function, and thus low energy levels. Google for natural sources of iodine.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mr.C View Post
                          I will start tracking my diet, but I don't even know how many calories I need. What are macro ratios?
                          Macro ratios are the percentage of carbohydrates, protein and fats in your diet. In addition to how many calories you are consuming, I've found this ratio is important to how you are feeling. (energy, hunger, etc). Like right now I have a splitting damn headache and when I look at what I've eaten, my total carbs are only 26, which is very low for me.

                          I got the MyFitnessPal iPhone app and when I created my profile it asks for your weight, height and general activity level. It also asks where you want your weight to be and will make a recommendation for how many calories you should be consuming per day to get there. It's all approximate, but I found it a decent place to start.

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                          • #14
                            You might try to vary your diet. Personally, I like eating the sane food day in and day out, but depending on what one eats, one could easily miss out on essential nutrients that comes from a varied diet. Also, by mixing it up and making tastier meals, you might find your food more appetizing and regain your joy in eating. I agree with others that you provably should not lose any more weight. 6'7 is really tall (duh).
                            F 28/5'4/100 lbs

                            "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for all the support. I am going to look at Paleotrack today and see if I can start tweaking my intake. So if normal carbs is 60%, what optimal for us? All good suggestions. Thanks all...have a great week! Mr. C

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