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  • Porn: Even less Primal than Twinkies!

    What's the most Primal thing of all? Wanting to spread your genes onto the next generation, obviously. From a strictly evolutionary standpoint, that's what it's all about.

    So, what modern activity (a) causes young men to not want to have any sex, (b) stifles them emotionally and mentally such that no girls want them, either, (c) utterly pulverizes men's emotional resolve and mental focus, and (d) screws up your brain more than a breakfast of Twinkies and Coco Puffs screws up your gut, and (e) screws with crucial hormones like Dopamine.

    "Modern grains!", you say? Yeah, I'm sure those do it, too. But the answer I was looking for is internet porn. (Which is "qualitatively different" than porn in an old Playboy rag - though that's bad, too - because of its greater ability to provide novelty, thus wildly exacerbating porn's native harms.)

    At a different thread, wiltondeportes shared this epic TED Talk video which details how destructive porn is to the brain. I was riveted watching this....even though I've made it a point to avoid porn for several years, now. I can still remember how consuming it was, and can relate to much of what he describes, on a subjective level.

    As a companion piece to that, here is a fiercely-written pair of articles, written by a female, detailing what porn does to you. You can almost feel her frustration at the thought of the men in her life rapid-clicking through internet porn (c'mon now, most all of us dudes have done that) like rats in an experiment clicking on the lever to get themselves heroin.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...-brain-part-1/
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...-brain-part-2/

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    I think that the most primal thing of all is being healthy and spreading one's genes isn't dealt with in any of the primal laws.
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    • #3

      Originally posted by Daemonized View Post
      I think that the most primal thing of all is being healthy and spreading one's genes isn't dealt with in any of the primal laws.
      I was just speaking of the process of evolution by natural selection. "Survival of the fittest" basically means reproduction of the fittest: the best of the species have the most offspring, so their genes persist.

      So anything which prohibits or inhibits that is, by my definition (and any evolutionary definition), not primal. But that was a side-comment, anyway.

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      • #4
        So, instead of watching a moving and fapping to meet the demands of a hormonal load...
        Young dudes should really be out knocking up young ladies with babies they are not prepared to/nor have any to intention to raise/care for because it's an evolutionary "win"...

        Awesome!
        “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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        • #5
          Maybe you didn't read the articles or watch the video.

          I think people should be healthy, and I was kinda under the impression that the main point of MDA is to educate and encourage healthy living. The information documented in the articles and video thoroughly show how destructive it is for dudes to consume internet porn, and therefore the people who wish to be healthy should work to avoid internet porn. Anything beyond that, just, yeah, whatever, you're right.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
            So, instead of watching a moving and fapping to meet the demands of a hormonal load...
            Young dudes should really be out knocking up young ladies with babies they are not prepared to/nor have any to intention to raise/care for because it's an evolutionary "win"...

            Awesome!
            I was just about to say almost exactly the same thing...
            "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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            • #7
              As with most of the hypernormal stimuli in our modern environment, the dose makes the poison IMO.

              Watch porn once a month? Probably not going to have much, if any, effect on your overall sexual life. Watch it several times a week or every day? Yeah, then you're probably going to have some problems--and you're going to start getting into more and more hardcore porn to get the same level of gratification from it, and so on in the classic syndrome of addiction to anything.

              Same thing is true of sugar, alcohol, grains, industrial oils, stressful work environments, staying up too late, and everything else we do that's not optimally good for us but is awfully fun every once in a while.

              And, as with most hypernormal stimuli, it's addictive. So you definitely have to be conscious of that and abstain if you're not willing or able to control your intake to reasonable, occasional use. But yeah, in general I'd have to agree that porn (specifically internet video porn, which offers by far the most unnatural variety and quantity of novel material, which seems to be the trigger that causes the desensitization to "normal" sexual stimulation) is a big problem for many men.

              That TED talk is definitely worth watching; seen it before.

              As far as whether it's Primal or moral or whatever: I don't think it's a moral issue at all, just a mental health/happiness issue. And I heartily disagree with your previously mentioned opinions on family size, reproduction, etc. We don't have to let our genetic imperatives rule our lives; evolution is amoral and we can choose to disobey the dictates of natural selection as rational, sentient beings if we wish. You shouldn't judge people for making different decisions than you would, if they're not causing any harm to others.
              Last edited by Uncephalized; 10-01-2012, 12:08 PM.
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              • #8
                So here are brain scans of dopamine activity between healthy people (on the left) and then on the right, the addicts (comparable to porn addicts, as shown in the video):



                So instead of, "This is your brain on drugs", schools could also say, "This is your brain on internet porn."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DavidBrennan View Post
                  Maybe you didn't read the articles or watch the video.

                  I think people should be healthy, and I was kinda under the impression that the main point of MDA is to educate and encourage healthy living. The information documented in the articles and video thoroughly show how destructive it is for dudes to consume internet porn, and therefore the people who wish to be healthy should work to avoid internet porn. Anything beyond that, just, yeah, whatever, you're right.
                  What that is is one sided alarm-ism...
                  Lots of dudes watch a little porn and fap, and have sex.
                  Addictions happen to lots of people.
                  Porn addiction happened before the internet ever existed... there were guys with stacks of magazines that filled entire closets, or VHS tapes that filled entire cabinets. Or before that guys that spent money at cheap peep-shows like they had a gambling addiction.
                  There are all sorts of sex addicts. The internet makes it more convenient, it does not "create" it.


                  And for the high school and college dudes fapping away to the latest and greatest porn. They'll eventually settle down and have a couple of gaddam kids most likely... just like you want them to.

                  BTW... I've seen a similar thing that showed the SAME response in the brains of people who play ANY video game, not even violent or sexual... even like Mario Cart.
                  It's a freaking stimulation response.
                  Last edited by cori93437; 10-01-2012, 12:13 PM.
                  “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                  ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                  And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                  • #10
                    Alright, so you don't agree with the video and articles. That's cool. Some people aren't into the paleo diet, either. Different strokes for different folks.

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                    • #11
                      Here are some more screencaps I got from the TED Talk:



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                      • #12
                        You do know that between humans sometimes sex is JUST sex right... sometimes there is no "courtship" and no "emotional connection"...

                        Even for us super hormonal women.

                        Also... sometimes there is "searching"(the hunt can be fun), "shock and surprise", "novelty", and "voyerism" in REAL actual sex... Seriously.

                        These people are reductionists.
                        “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                        • #13
                          If I find a woman who has the same level of drive I do, I'll stop looking at porn.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wanderlust View Post
                            If I find a woman who has the same level of drive I do, I'll stop looking at porn.
                            So you need porn to get off?

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                            • #15
                              Different strokes for different folks.
                              That made me laugh.

                              I read somewhere that too much porn also gives men unrealistic views of what *most* women like and what *most* women look like. I think its like anything else- it is what it is. Some people probably need to watch a lot less. As long as it doesn't interfere with a healthy relationship.

                              I think things have gotten more intense. Yeah, all the guys had a copy of playboy and could see tits and ass and pubes when they were 12. Not so sure though that young kids need access to gang bang porn though..... ya know?

                              To expand, I think it is fine if some adult guy (or gal) likes to masturbate while watching bizarre porn. They get it. They have had real relationships and understand the types of sex. They get that maybe the cute girl on the date isn't into anal or bondage. They understand foreplay and ways to show affection and all sorts of shit. If someone is a deviant, so be it, their partner probably knows and likes it. Pretty sure my husband watches porn, LOL, but he is still great at sex and it's a good thing.

                              But its the kids that do kind of give pause. Again, all good to see parts and copulation at a young age, but some of the readily available stuff that is more about degrading/abuse/domination of women versus simple pleasure..... I dunno, that seems like it could really mess with a mind of a kid that hasn't had a real relationship yet. Again, all well and good for adults to enjoy, but if kids don't know the context, I don't know.
                              Last edited by magnolia1973; 10-01-2012, 12:46 PM.

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