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  • #16
    Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
    That made me laugh.
    I hate to confess, but....that was an accidental pun. Wish I could take credit!

    But to, uh, keep the ball rolling here....

    Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
    I read somewhere that too much porn also gives men unrealistic views of what *most* women like and what *most* women look like. I think its like anything else- it is what it is. Some people probably need to watch a lot less. As long as it doesn't interfere with a healthy relationship.

    I think things have gotten more intense. Yeah, all the guys had a copy of playboy and could see tits and ass and pubes when they were 12. Not so sure though that young kids need access to gang bang porn though..... ya know?
    In the video (or maybe elsewhere) they differentiate between, say, staring at a Playboy centerfold and rifling through internet porn. The latter is far worse because it's an "arousal addiction", which actually and paradoxically decreases the sex drive. Conversely, I'd guess that a dude looking at a centerfold in 1970 would just look, shoot his wad, and then go on about his life. (This is my guess about the standard behavior. But who knows?)

    Myself and MANY other dudes, though, can admit that there is a huge, huge experiential difference between quickly jerking off to a single image and then surfing through porn (which is so addictive that two and three hours can pass without even realizing it.) Any guys wanna corroborate that?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DavidBrennan View Post
      In the video (or maybe elsewhere) they differentiate between, say, staring at a Playboy centerfold and rifling through internet porn. The latter is far worse because it's an "arousal addiction", which actually and paradoxically decreases the sex drive. Conversely, I'd guess that a dude looking at a centerfold in 1970 would just look, shoot his wad, and then go on about his life. (This is my guess about the standard behavior. But who knows?)

      Myself and MANY other dudes, though, can admit that there is a huge, huge experiential difference between quickly jerking off to a single image and then surfing through porn (which is so addictive that two and three hours can pass without even realizing it.) Any guys wanna corroborate that?
      Does this apply only to men...
      Are they the only ones to rub one of while surfing through web porn?
      Something tells me "No."

      Probably the fact that I'm a woman who does it.
      And there are lots of other women who also do it...

      And yes it is different that single image porn... but it does NOT reduce my libido.
      If anything masturbation increases my libido.
      *shrug*
      YMMV
      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
        I think things have gotten more intense. Yeah, all the guys had a copy of playboy and could see tits and ass and pubes when they were 12. Not so sure though that young kids need access to gang bang porn though..... ya know?


        But its the kids that do kind of give pause. Again, all good to see parts and copulation at a young age, but some of the readily available stuff that is more about degrading/abuse/domination of women versus simple pleasure..... I dunno, that seems like it could really mess with a mind of a kid that hasn't had a real relationship yet. Again, all well and good for adults to enjoy, but if kids don't know the context, I don't know.
        Parents who give their kids an all access pass to a PC are responsible for this!
        There are very simple programs that can be installed that block pretty much everything... and that log keystroke entry.
        I know "privacy"
        Bullshit.
        Your 11y/o doesn't need that kind of privacy and need to know that up front.
        Mine did.
        “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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        • #19
          so is the discussion about people with normal brains who can look at porn a while, fap and go about the day? or are the addicts being factored in too, and there is no separation?

          and david, so nice to see you again! how've you been?
          beautiful
          yeah you are

          Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
          lol

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          • #20
            Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
            To expand, I think it is fine if some adult guy (or gal) likes to masturbate while watching bizarre porn. They get it. They have had real relationships and understand the types of sex. They get that maybe the cute girl on the date isn't into anal or bondage. They understand foreplay and ways to show affection and all sorts of shit. If someone is a deviant, so be it, their partner probably knows and likes it. Pretty sure my husband watches porn, LOL, but he is still great at sex and it's a good thing.

            But its the kids that do kind of give pause. Again, all good to see parts and copulation at a young age, but some of the readily available stuff that is more about degrading/abuse/domination of women versus simple pleasure..... I dunno, that seems like it could really mess with a mind of a kid that hasn't had a real relationship yet. Again, all well and good for adults to enjoy, but if kids don't know the context, I don't know.
            I don't think that anybody here would ever want the government to get involved with this in any way. It's the same concept as eating paleo: give people the information, and then let them make their own life decisions. I think that the libertarian-dominated paleo community overwhelmingly agrees with this (although there are undoubtedly some political busybodies amongst us. This is America, after all.)

            As far as the fetish porn goes, I think that that's where it all ends up because if the addiction is to novelty, than the momentum naturally takes you to more and more kinky stuff (although I have heard that there are WAY more people into being the recipients of "domination" than the givers of it amongst both sexes, but I guess that's kind of a semantic issue).

            If you watched the final five minutes or so of the video, you can see that the health effects are, ironically, even worse for young men than older men, because older men at least have the foundation of healthy sex. Conversely, the generation now in their twenties has had internet porn as the standard sexual concept since their childhood. But the good news is that the effects are reversible (though not necessarily entirely reversible). It just takes younger men longer to right the ship.

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            • #21
              So... What are my options?
              well then

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              • #22
                to not believe everything you see on the internet is the right way to do things once you get older and married
                beautiful
                yeah you are

                Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                lol

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
                  So... What are my options?
                  What do you mean?

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                  • #24
                    This is clearly a very individual thing, but it is interesting and I'm sure there is some truth to the damaging effects of it, again, for certain individuals (I would say kids, or those that got into "serious" porn early in their lives)

                    Personally, I know porn hasn't affected me negatively, I haven't lost my ability to "simply close my eyes," and I don't seek more hardcore/bizarre shit, it turns me off actually. I still prefer regular, simple heterosexual porn - I don't even care much for girl-on-girl stuff, and don't quite understand the appeal (threeway porn with 2 girls though, different story, I believe the male component has to be presented for me to be able to suspend my belief and be more a part of it, you know?)

                    I think anything you can control and incorporate into your life is healthy, and safe - everything that is abused, is not.

                    Kids that simply don't know what the hell communication even is, probably go at it differently if they've been exposed to a lot of pornography, and girls might be victims to that sort of thing (and vice versa - as we know plenty of females enjoy porn) but again, is that the fault of pornography? or more an overall lack of respect and understanding for your mate, even if he/she is just that in the moment - I would say it's more the latter, with some help (on the "creativity" side) from the former.

                    So, thanks for putting the information out there, some might benefit from it.
                    I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DavidBrennan View Post
                      What do you mean?
                      Nah I was just joking. I'm 15 you know....

                      internet is pretty much the only place..
                      well then

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
                        So... What are my options?
                        Watch a documentary on how porn movies are made... you'll see how ridiculous the pretend sex is and how it should not be emulated in real life.

                        If you are going to fap to porn... just like all things... use it, don't let it use you.
                        It's really not the end of the world if you do it sometimes.
                        Of course if you find yourself spending hours everyday doing it... stop that and get a life kid!
                        You'll be fine.
                        “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
                          So... What are my options?
                          a) youtube for that MTV "true life" show "I'm addicted to porn"
                          b) ask yourself if you're like those people

                          if the answer is no, you're good. Also, never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER stop using condoms, even if you think you want kids. YOU DON'T.
                          I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                            a) youtube for that MTV "true life" show "I'm addicted to porn"
                            b) ask yourself if you're like those people

                            if the answer is no, you're good. Also, never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER stop using condoms, even if you think you want kids. YOU DON'T.
                            That's GOLD right there! 100% truth.

                            Also... once you're older and settle down a bit and in a LTR... vasectomy!
                            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                              So, thanks for putting the information out there, some might benefit from it.
                              No problem, thanks for the thoughtful response.

                              I totally agree that everybody is unique (just the same as some lucky bastards can subsist on Domino's Pizza and Mountain Dew and still maintain physiques like Brad Pitt in 'Fight Club'!) Personally, I like to think that I was probably in the middle ground as far as porn consumption goes. The main reasons I gave it up about two years ago were (a) the challenge (I quit smoking at this same time), and (b) the amount of time I would waste trolling through it. Like compulsive gamblers not realizing that it's 6 AM already and they've spent ten hours at the damn slot machine.

                              Personally, I don't think that anybody should consume it, but I also think that it's completely up to each individual to weigh the costs and benefits for themselves, and to exercise discipline where it's needed.

                              Here's an apropos quote:

                              "A good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves not one man alone, but what is worse, as many masters as he has vices." -St. Augustine

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DavidBrennan View Post
                                So you need porn to get off?
                                No, but I want to have "relations" 7-10x/week, most women don't and won't. I prefer the real thing, and if I'm being satisfied I don't look at porn.

                                My ex used to tell me to go watch porn and help myself, so I would leave her alone lol.

                                I'm not a sex addict or a porn addict, I just have a high libido. Porn doesn't interfere with my relationships, you could even say it helps, because without it I would probably piss most women off (i.e. all he wants is sex, all the time).
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