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    Title says it all... I'm a 20 year old guy and I should be too horny to function. It's not that I'm not interested in ladies, but I am certainly less motivated to chase after them than most of my friends. Even when I do end up spending quality time with a girl, I tend to be less interested than I'd expect when we're actually getting down to business.

    I know libido is pretty much all hormones and that my anxiety and depression are probably throwing mine for a loop. I'm in therapy for those and making steady improvement. Still, this is an issue I'd like to address directly and promptly. Any ideas for what else could be happening here or what else I can do? Any suggested reading? Any personal experience?

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    Testosterone is the male hormone. If your testosterone levels are normal, other things can be influencing your libido, as you mention, depression.
    People are taught they have to be raging sex maniacs with everyone, but really, this isn't true. Some of us are pretty selective about who really gets our attention, and it's not all physical. We want to feel a mental connection. For some women,
    the guy who is more cerebral is a better mate selection. Remember, it's quality, not quantity.

    The SSRIs that docs push are notorious for causing sexual "side effects" like loss of feeling.

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    • #3
      Are you taking anti-depressants as well as going to therapy? Many of those can cause lack of libido. I was on Zoloft for ten years. I didn't realize how much it was effecting my sex drive until I went off of them a month ago. Getting off the meds and going primal definitely brought me back to life!

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      • #4
        I think libido is a function of general wellness. For example, if you have diarrhea and headache, your libido might not be so hot. I would say eat well, sleep well, and exercise well. The X-factor could be porn if you watch it at all. STOP porn. It rewires your brain.
        TEDxGlasgow - Gary Wilson - The Great Porn Experiment - YouTube
        Rebooting | Your Brain On Porn
        Last edited by wiltondeportes; 10-01-2012, 08:01 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NowhereMan View Post
          Title says it all... I'm a 20 year old guy and I should be too horny to function. It's not that I'm not interested in ladies, but I am certainly less motivated to chase after them than most of my friends. Even when I do end up spending quality time with a girl, I tend to be less interested than I'd expect when we're actually getting down to business.

          I know libido is pretty much all hormones and that my anxiety and depression are probably throwing mine for a loop. I'm in therapy for those and making steady improvement. Still, this is an issue I'd like to address directly and promptly. Any ideas for what else could be happening here or what else I can do? Any suggested reading? Any personal experience?
          My friend,

          You are severely deficient in iodine. You can prove this for yourself with the Iodine Loading Test. Iodine is required by every cell in our body, and supplies the thyroid with its energy to stimulate hormones throughout the body. Large amounts of iodine are required for the sex organs in both men & women. When people are deficient in iodine, libido is one of the 1st things to go.

          Iodine deficiency is also the cause of Prostate problems in men, fibrocystic Breast Disease, PCOS, Endometrium problems, & cysts in women. Both sexes suffer from cold hands, cold feet (hypothyroid) and other hypothyroid symptoms. All conditions are reversed with iodine with required supplements. See the Testimonials from people right here at Marks Daily Apple, where you will find libido improvements and reversal of serious female health problems from simply taking iodine with required supplements.

          Complete details & research here:
          http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

          The Curezone also has a wealth of examples - from people with iodine deficiency problems. Do a search for "Libido."
          Men at the Curezone discovered this method to speed iodine into their prostate, and I can confirm it does wonders.

          If anyone has questions, PM me here or leave a message at the Curezone.
          Grizz
          Last edited by Grizz; 10-01-2012, 03:38 AM.

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          • #6
            Or it's just your personality. I could name a number of guys I knew back in college and even now who are just uninterested. They work, play video games, hang out with other guys. Theu see pursuing a girl as being just more time and effort than is worth their while. And I have a number of married guy friends who wish they had that carefree single life again. It takes all sorts to make the world...don't let society tell you that you have to be a horny male to be satisfied with life. By all means, get your hormonal level checked out if you are concerned but if everything is fine then just go with the flow.
            F 28/5'4/100 lbs

            "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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            • #7
              It could also be you're just dealing with some bitches. I don't know anything that could up your libido though
              well then

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              • #8
                sometimes people have libido issues when they are eating low carb

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                • #9
                  definition of troll (internet): In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response

                  Let's see... not off-topic, not meaning to be inflammatory (but apparently it is to you), not intending to get any particular emotional response. Telling me to STFU and calling me a troll? I think you are fitting the definition here.

                  As for my contribution to the thread...

                  -The OP would need to tell us if they are having any other physical symptoms. Not enough info.
                  -Would be helpful to know if they are being medically treated for anxiety & depression and/or how they are treating that beyond talk therapy.
                  -How strict are you with primal eating?
                  -Search on the forums for low testosterone, I am sure you are not the only person who has come around here with (potentially) this issue. There are probably herbs or supplements that would help immediately, but long term, eating well is the best cure.

                  -To Grizz: I'm sure you can find testimonials for how space rocks cured someone's Alzheimers. That doesn't mean it is tried, true, and safe for everyone. You should NEVER act as though you have a cure-all for the world. You cannot test everyone, you cannot know. You can only suggest, which is a concept you do not seem to understand.
                  Depression Lies

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                    definition of troll (internet): In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response

                    Let's see... not off-topic, not meaning to be inflammatory (but apparently it is to you), not intending to get any particular emotional response. Telling me to STFU and calling me a troll? I think you are fitting the definition here.

                    As for my contribution to the thread...

                    -The OP would need to tell us if they are having any other physical symptoms. Not enough info.
                    -Would be helpful to know if they are being medically treated for anxiety & depression and/or how they are treating that beyond talk therapy.
                    -How strict are you with primal eating?
                    -Search on the forums for low testosterone, I am sure you are not the only person who has come around here with (potentially) this issue. There are probably herbs or supplements that would help immediately, but long term, eating well is the best cure.

                    -To Grizz: I'm sure you can find testimonials for how space rocks cured someone's Alzheimers. That doesn't mean it is tried, true, and safe for everyone. You should NEVER act as though you have a cure-all for the world. You cannot test everyone, you cannot know. You can only suggest, which is a concept you do not seem to understand.
                    YOU don't understand how to read English. Read this and give us a summary. You can't because there is nothing but negativism spewing out of your mouth.

                    Those testimonials did not come from a rock. They came from members of this forum who were thrilled by the results of iodine supplementation. Iodine is a time tested & proven cure for over 100 years.

                    See the Yahoo Iodine Group with 6,000+ members:
                    Iodine and human nutrition. How much iodine do we need? What are the best sources? What happens if we don't get enough iodine?
                    Iodine has been effective with hypothyroid and hyperthyroid conditions, goiter, fibrocystic breasts, uterine fibroids, ovarian cysts, brain fog, constipation, obesity, diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, arrhythmias like atrial fibrillation, and detoxification issues (mercury, perchlorate, fluoride, bromide).

                    Iodine is in every cell in the body and is essential in pregnancy. It is found in high levels in the thyroid gland, breast, ovaries, prostate, liver, lung, heart, stomach, and adrenal glands.

                    There is currently a great deal of research on iodine and cancer, including cancer of the breast, colon, lungs, ovaries, pancreas, prostate, stomach, and thyroid.

                    Some doctors are now using iodine in the treatment of children with down syndrome as well as autism with positive results.

                    If you are an Iodine Researcher, you may be interested in our subgroup, IodineResearch: IodineResearch : IodineResearch

                    See this link for more:
                    iodine : Iodine
                    Also this website has valuable information:
                    Physicians Guy Abraham, MD, David Brownstein, MD, and Jorge Flechas, MD, have treated more
                    than 4,000 patients with iodine supplementation. The protocol below is suggested by their
                    writings and lectures. We acknowledge with appreciation their pioneering research and
                    generous contributions to the field of Iodine Therapy. See references below the protocol.
                    Iodine Therapy Guidelines
                    And we have this excellent document from Dr. Buist.

                    For those who are interested in iodine, leave me a message at the Curezone or send me a PM.

                    Also read Iodine References here:
                    http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

                    I'm not going to waste time arguing with the TROLLS.

                    Grizz
                    Last edited by Grizz; 10-01-2012, 08:40 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Well, thanks everyone. I never thought about Iodine. I'm not convinced it's definitely the problem but it can't hurt to check it out.

                      Aside from that, I think there are some pretty clear, purely psychological, reasons behind my anxiety and depression. I'm currently meeting with a therapist bi-weekly and I'm about to start group therapy. I've done reading about amino acids and whatnot. I didn't notice a difference with Typtophan, but it's pretty clear that I need to supplement B vitamins and vit D so I've added those. Lots of fish oil too, although I think it might do me good to eat some actual fish. All my bloodwork for vitamins and thyroid was "normal". Other hormones: test, cortisol, etc. were not covered in my latest bloodwork, although I thought they would be. My father has had low test problems in the past and I suspect currently. He fought depression for a while too, but I don't know all the details. They're probably connected.

                      As for physical symptoms... I'm tired a lot; I burn out very easily; I have trouble sleeping sometimes. Either not falling asleep or waking up early and not falling back asleep. Aside from that, I definitely don't feel amazing but I'm not sure what's connected or not.

                      As for eating, I do the best I can with my meal plan, which is pretty good since I appealed it. Tons of vegetables and meat, fruit, good starches when I can get them. My only major complaints are the lack of red meat and cooking facilities. Otherwise, I'd be supplementing with store bought food. My biggest deviation is alcohol, which happens more often than it should. That said, I don't drink to the point where I'm falling over or throwing up. Nowhere near it. I drink coffee as well, usually one cup a day of really good quality stuff. Lately I've been thinking that I should give it up but that's just instinctual and not really based on any science.

                      If anything else is relevant let me know, but mostly I was just asking for recommended reading. I don't expect you guys to break this whole thing down and work it out for me I just want some resources.
                      Last edited by NowhereMan; 10-01-2012, 09:16 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Go away, Grizz. Seriously.

                        Do you ever read a forum thread where one person is coming in and acting all crazy, and everyone is telling them they are nuts and to go away, and they won't listen, BECAUSE THEY ARE NUTS? Yeah, that person is you.

                        OP, I suppose it's possible you're iodine deficient. It's also possible you have one or more of about a bazillion other problems that can cause low libido, including simply having too much stress in your life or not sleeping enough, or just being one of those people who is on one end or the other of the normal distribution, whose traits don't match what everyone else thinks is "normal".

                        If you are eating low carb, try increasing the amount of carbs you eat significantly and see if that helps, too. Low libido and decreased energy are pretty common in long-term low-carbers.
                        Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

                        My Primal Journal

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                        • #13
                          To the original poster, I want to give you some good news: from my personal experience, it might be a good thing that you're struggling with this (emotionally and psychologically) now rather than in your later years. I say this because I went through extended periods in my early twenties where I had virtually no desire (granted, I also rarely had opportunities with women, and that didn't help, probably). When this dearth of desire occurred, it then lead to a vicious cycle: I felt little or nothing, so I got stressed out. Then, I became so stressed out and fixated on my near impotence, that it caused me still more stress. So, my libido was then worse than before, so I'd get MORE stressed....and on and on the cycle would go.

                          After a year or two of periodically freaking out, I eventually reached this common sense conclusion: It's perfectly fine to go a few weeks or even months where your libido is low....especially if your life is stressful outside of it. I was always worrying about making rent, buying food, and other life essentials, so of course I was going to have low libidos at such times! I came to embrace and accept the ebbs and flows of libido (and, for that matter, of all emotional states: sometimes I'm jazzed up for work, other times I'll go weeks where I have to force myself to miserably open up my work files).

                          By the time I was 25 or so, I don't think I ever had sexual problems. (One other note is to understand that sex, as coarse as this sounds, is not always the graceful, idyllic shit in staged movie scenes: usually, it's just a reflexive, organic bodily function. So don't buy into the shit that you've gotta be some sex god or whatever. Simply let nature take over, if you're not especially passionate.)

                          Conversely, I know that some dudes who were sex gods in their twenties or whatever, and now in their 30's these dudes are already using the repulsive Viagara. (Hell, I know one dude who started using the fake boner drugs at age 26!)

                          So, if you're like me at all, then you'll learn to accept the rhythms of your emotions (in this case, libido) and even to embrace these rhythms, rather than to get a wave of cortisol to stress you out every time you don't get horny on cue.

                          And, of course, the paleo diet and its saturated fats are phenomenally helpful for boosting your hormones and androgens (like testosterone and HGH), and stabilizing your energy levels overall. So if you live Primal, and learn to go with the flow, you'll be fine.

                          (And please, don't ever use Viagara. I'm embarrassed for my half of the species that any dude ever touches that shit.)

                          Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                          The X-factor could be porn if you watch it at all. STOP porn. It rewires your brain.
                          TEDxGlasgow - Gary Wilson - The Great Porn Experiment - YouTube
                          Rebooting | Your Brain On Porn
                          YES! Thank you for sharing this, wiltondeportes.

                          I personally include "avoid pornography" in my exercise logs. That shit fucked me up, causing me to waste thousands of hours of my life staring at disgusting sex, and perverting my standards for women and what sex should be like. So, for the past few years, my rule has been to avoid porn. To the extent that I need to shoot a wad but there's no girl present (which is most of the time), I use my own imagination, and then I just get the shit over with quickly, rather than staring at some other dude's contrived sexual conquests via porn.

                          Along with those articles, here is a riveting article (written by a woman) detailing how porn fucks you up:
                          Part 1: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...-brain-part-1/
                          Part 2: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...-brain-part-2/
                          Last edited by DavidBrennan; 10-01-2012, 09:38 AM.

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                          • #14
                            NowhereMan,
                            As for physical symptoms... I'm tired a lot; I burn out very easily; I have trouble sleeping sometimes. Either not falling asleep or waking up early and not falling back asleep. Aside from that, I definitely don't feel amazing but I'm not sure what's connected or not.
                            All are symptoms of severe iodine deficiency. Unless you are eating a lot of sea foods & seaweeds, you are iodine deficient. Every cell in the human body requires iodine to be healthy. Especially the brain, thyroid & sex organs.

                            Here is a list of some of the symptoms:
                            See how many of these symptoms you have.
                            Iodine-related bromide symptoms may include but are not limited to:
                            eye lid twitching
                            foot twitching
                            tingling in hands or feet
                            dark thoughts (e.g., there is no reason to live)
                            depression (e.g., there is no reason to get out of bed)
                            anxiety
                            emotionality

                            mouth and tongue sores and cuts or "sore mouth"
                            "different" acne,"bromide acne," "acne-like eruptions" without "coniform." (Some iodine
                            users found zinc helps bromide acne.)
                            skin "cuts"
                            hair loss
                            brain fog
                            leg and hip ache (feels like arthritis)
                            rash (bromaderma)
                            metallic taste
                            sinus ache
                            cherry angiomas
                            runny nose
                            headache
                            sedation
                            lethargy
                            odd swallowing sensation (reported in old medical literature as "swollen glottis")
                            body odor (bromos is Greek for stench)
                            unusual urine odor
                            dry mouth
                            ureteral spasm, frequent urination (mistaken for urinary infection)
                            diarrhea
                            constipation
                            vision changes
                            irritability
                            increased salivation
                            dream changes
                            hormone changes ( your lack of libido falls into this category )
                            kidney pain
                            breast tenderness (transient symptom reported to resolve)
                            Iodine-related bromide detox symptoms and strategies

                            Complete list of symptoms here:
                            http://tinyurl.com/Iodine-Deficiency

                            Grizz
                            Last edited by Grizz; 10-01-2012, 09:49 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Uncephalized View Post
                              Go away, Grizz. Seriously.
                              Who are YOU? Who do you think YOU are?? The Gestapo of the message board? This is a public message board and I will post messages freely.

                              Grizz

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