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  • #16
    For awhile, I haven't slept well and am going to change the whole routine and try to get to bed earlier...
    for MANY years, i'd stay up til 4,5,6 in the morning after getting home from work and often wouldn't go to bed til first light. i'd sleep til noon and the whole day would basically be wasted.

    about 7-8 years ago i finally wrapped my head around the fact this was a terrible pattern and now most days i am up by 7, which makes it easier to fall asleep earlier on nights i have that window. it also gives me lots of daylight hours to be a productive member of society and do stuff besides just showing up at work.

    you really need to train yourself though and it takes some time and being tired and cranky at first.
    As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

    Ernest Hemingway

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    • #17
      Hmmm ... have you tried doing exactly the opposite of what you're doing? Rest a whole week. No gym, then go just walking. Eat carbier meals, try protein restriction, but keep the fat up. Skip a random meal each day, randomly - pick something outside of your control like if it's raining, don't eat. Gorge like a pig at your next meal.

      Messing up the human frame seems to do big things for pushing through plateaus.

      I'm nothing like those gym honed six pack guys you see in the before/after threads, but I bet anything I own that I could pace up a hillside more than 45 degrees in a hop and way faster than any of them. I could out-pace them over 20 miles of rough ground; heck, I've even caught a rabbit bare handed and bare footed! I bet I could move an irregular object three or four times my body weight (six to seven times theirs) several hundred yards easier than they could. I have a bit of blur around the middle, but I'm happy with it. My arms, legs and neck might fool you into thinking the rest of me was like that, given my stature.

      Best of luck ... shake it up, push towards what you want, but be happy with the groove you drop into. Health, objective health, is not about being skinny and body perfect. Proper health is about longevity and disease resistance.
      Paul
      http://www.pjgh.co.uk
      http://www.livingintheiceage.co.uk

      "... needs more fish!"

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      • #18
        Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
        for MANY years, i'd stay up til 4,5,6 in the morning after getting home from work and often wouldn't go to bed til first light. i'd sleep til noon and the whole day would basically be wasted.

        about 7-8 years ago i finally wrapped my head around the fact this was a terrible pattern and now most days i am up by 7, which makes it easier to fall asleep earlier on nights i have that window. it also gives me lots of daylight hours to be a productive member of society and do stuff besides just showing up at work.

        you really need to train yourself though and it takes some time and being tired and cranky at first.
        I worked nights and weekends before, they had me on 55, 60 or more hours per week. It was not a choice. I said NO to working both days and nights, I could not do that...and I got a lot of flack for it.

        A lot of the jobs I had, got me up at 4 or 5am. I really hate that, because it interferes with my REM sleep. I would find at night I would be ready to sleep at 6 or 7pm when I got home, and if I kept myself awake, I'd be wired and awake at 10pm and not able to sleep. The more I realized I only had X hours to sleep, the more I could not sleep. Sometimes, I'd fall asleep at 2am. I lived in a sleep deficit. Too tired to exercise when I came home from getting up so early (very long drive to work), and then lack of sleep. No wonder I am like I am.

        I am going to try to get in a routine of getting up at 5 or 6am. You are right, one has to train themselves...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by pjgh View Post
          Hmmm ... have you tried doing exactly the opposite of what you're doing? Rest a whole week. No gym, then go just walking. Eat carbier meals, try protein restriction, but keep the fat up. Skip a random meal each day, randomly - pick something outside of your control like if it's raining, don't eat. Gorge like a pig at your next meal.

          Messing up the human frame seems to do big things for pushing through plateaus.

          I'm nothing like those gym honed six pack guys you see in the before/after threads, but I bet anything I own that I could pace up a hillside more than 45 degrees in a hop and way faster than any of them. I could out-pace them over 20 miles of rough ground; heck, I've even caught a rabbit bare handed and bare footed! I bet I could move an irregular object three or four times my body weight (six to seven times theirs) several hundred yards easier than they could. I have a bit of blur around the middle, but I'm happy with it. My arms, legs and neck might fool you into thinking the rest of me was like that, given my stature.

          Best of luck ... shake it up, push towards what you want, but be happy with the groove you drop into. Health, objective health, is not about being skinny and body perfect. Proper health is about longevity and disease resistance.

          When you say, "have you tried doing exactly the opposite of what you're doing?"...this is exactly what has been going through my mind lately. How whatever I've been doing--isn't working. You have a lot of good points. But I doubt any man would look at me right now and see a desirable person. I doubt any health-conscious person would find my stomach healthy. I am uncomfortable like this, and it is motivation.

          I've tried just letting it all "hang loose", but I think the stress gets in the way. I don't want to eat a lot of carbs, it spikes my blood sugar. I am a very mild diabetic, my AICs are very low, last one was 5.8. My doc thought I wasn't even a diabetic, but I said, "it's how I eat...nothing refined". My blood sugar, fasting or postprandial is very low.

          But I really like what you have to say. You sound very healthy and even more, content. That whole concept of being content is something I need to deal with. I don't like the cards on the table in my life. I have often felt very much like an unworthy human being, and have had demeaning coworkers and bosses that pushed that home. I know I shouldn't believe what other say or do, but in the end, I have very little in life, and I don't do well with just saying the heck with it. I think people who are doing well have better lives. I am always struggling, either when I am working, or out of a job. It's never let up in the past 15 years. Yes, I want to find something, anything with stability, but that's rather hard to find out there. When one walks out of their profession due to the stress, one is really swimming upstream. Money means little to me, it is a tool to survive. If I had enough money, I could buy myself the existence that is stress-free. So having a good amount of money is a good thing, depending on the value assigned to it.

          I really love what you wrote. You're a person with a mind, and I notice the free-thinkers on this forum.

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          • #20
            You know what? I bet there's a stack of people who think you're beautiful the way you are.

            If you want to "be" somewhere else, you can be ... that is the power of self-motiation that comes about from a confidence that you are doing the right thing. You are! I think you might be a little too stressed about it and not enjoying the ride, hoping for the end.

            I don't want to sound all zen about this, but I've been pointed at before for doing this ... the slow route is the permanent route; it's also the most scenic. You could get down to ideal weight in 6 months doing whatever it is necessary to do that, or you could genuinely understand yourself, your activity, your expenditure of physical and emotional energy and feel that accordingly, narrowing and understanding the bands until you drop into your groove.

            So, you've thought about it ... you have goals ... go and score them! Do the direct opposite, occasionally, fast, hike several miles, even tens of miles fasted, walk, don't run, walk fast, walk uphill, walk controlled downhill, find the shortest way up and down, find the longest way around. Don't look for rewards at the end, seek the journey as its own reward. Shit, there I go again, getting all zen about it.

            You follow ...

            Whatever you did to get here, do the opposite, then do the same again. Don't eat crap, don't drink poison and don't poison your life through work stress.
            Paul
            http://www.pjgh.co.uk
            http://www.livingintheiceage.co.uk

            "... needs more fish!"

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            • #21
              Originally posted by pjgh View Post
              You know what? I bet there's a stack of people who think you're beautiful the way you are.

              If you want to "be" somewhere else, you can be ... that is the power of self-motiation that comes about from a confidence that you are doing the right thing. You are! I think you might be a little too stressed about it and not enjoying the ride, hoping for the end.

              I don't want to sound all zen about this, but I've been pointed at before for doing this ... the slow route is the permanent route; it's also the most scenic. You could get down to ideal weight in 6 months doing whatever it is necessary to do that, or you could genuinely understand yourself, your activity, your expenditure of physical and emotional energy and feel that accordingly, narrowing and understanding the bands until you drop into your groove.

              So, you've thought about it ... you have goals ... go and score them! Do the direct opposite, occasionally, fast, hike several miles, even tens of miles fasted, walk, don't run, walk fast, walk uphill, walk controlled downhill, find the shortest way up and down, find the longest way around. Don't look for rewards at the end, seek the journey as its own reward. Shit, there I go again, getting all zen about it.

              You follow ...

              Whatever you did to get here, do the opposite, then do the same again. Don't eat crap, don't drink poison and don't poison your life through work stress.

              Thank you for what you said. I mean it. I think I know what the problems are, and some of them are outside my ability to control them, but I know what is going on. I always blame myself, always thinking I am accountable for it all, but now I think we control very little in our lives. The problem is finding how.

              My life is about survival. It is a constant mode. I don't eat or drink poison, but I think the jobs have been poisoning me. I am tired of the Sword of Damocles being over my head with them. We all know it is not enough to show up to work, be competent, get along, be polite. They want something more and those with power are abusing it. I saw it every day with several of the jobs I had. I had coworkers who were abusing drugs, and they put it in my face, like, "go ahead and tell" because the boss puts them in charge of you if you are new. Yep, in my profession, you are always under your coworkers. I've seen some bomb anyone who comes in new. Nothing like keeping things lean, so they can be indispensable.

              I have been beat up by life, by selfish, narcissistic people.

              So I want to get off that merry-go-round. I can't change everyone. I know I have a different mindset.

              Which is what I see with a lot of you on here... this Paleo thing is far more than eating, it is your window on life.

              Thank you and you have a marvelous blog, by the way....I will have to try some of those recipes!

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              • #22
                Thank you - enjoy the food. You see I don't "do" recipes, but have a gentle read and follow your nose with whatever you have to hand.

                Work stress is a killer. Try to engage with a sneer. Remember ... YOU'RE the predator; they're the prey.
                Paul
                http://www.pjgh.co.uk
                http://www.livingintheiceage.co.uk

                "... needs more fish!"

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by pjgh View Post
                  Thank you - enjoy the food. You see I don't "do" recipes, but have a gentle read and follow your nose with whatever you have to hand.

                  Work stress is a killer. Try to engage with a sneer. Remember ... YOU'RE the predator; they're the prey.
                  Thanks, and I will remember that line! I love it.

                  You're a creative chef!

                  I made a vegetable soup with a soup bone...they are hard to find, but worth it, and next time, I am trying fatty beef short ribs. I put cabbage, onion, carrots, parsley, and celery in it.

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