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  • Originally posted by Nady View Post
    Well, this thread has really opened my eyes. I've got it~ everyone has a fundamental right to free speech as long as they agree with you. Because any other opinion is wrong and not worthy of discussion.
    Ah, the whole zoo is here: teapartiers, anarchists, Alex Jones crazies, Ron Paul crazies, all other crazies, etc.
    I even didn't bother to go through all the comments.
    I have a title for a book: The Shades (or Shapes) of Craziness. Such diversity of this fauna.

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    • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
      I think you've missed the boat here Nady.
      You have the right to free speech as well...
      You've been abel to express that you think free speech should be stopped...
      And other people have the right to say "no it should not".

      See... you can say "Stop free speech"... That IS Free Speech...
      Just because people don't necessarily agree with you, it doesn't mean that your right has been removed.
      I never said free speech should be stopped. I don't believe it should be stopped. Maybe I can explain it better~

      Ever hear of Shannon's law?
      Shannon's law refers to specific changes in Arizona statutes, enacted in 2000, making it a felony offense to discharge firearms randomly into the air
      Words are like bullets~ when used constructively, they do their intended job. Make differences, improvements. But shoot your mouth off just because you can and not care where those words land, then you're no different (IMO) than the gun shooting *right to bear arms* American who's bullet fell from the sky and killed Shannon while she was on the phone in her own back yard. Who's fault is it? Hers?

      If freedom of speech was all encompassing, then bullying would be okay. So would slander. But they're not. I just wondered if it's time for our freedom to be tempered with some wisdom~

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      • Originally posted by Nady View Post
        Words are like bullets~ when used constructively, they do their intended job. Make differences, improvements. But shoot your mouth off just because you can and not care where those words land, then you're no different (IMO) than the gun shooting *right to bear arms* American who's bullet fell from the sky and killed Shannon while she was on the phone in her own back yard. Who's fault is it? Hers?

        If freedom of speech was all encompassing, then bullying would be okay. So would slander. But they're not. I just wondered if it's time for our freedom to be tempered with some wisdom~
        There is a phrase that goes like this:

        "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

        You should repeat this phrase over and over again until you have memorized it and can repeat it back to me.

        There is no word, no word at all, which I can shout out into the air and have it heard by a little girl who dies because of it.

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        • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
          I think you've missed the boat here Nady.

          See... you can say "Stop free speech"... That IS Free Speech...
          Just because people don't necessarily agree with you, it doesn't mean that your right has been removed.
          There is no such thing as absolute freedom of speech and .... it shouldn't be.
          I wonder how many of absolutists would continue being so if someone started a campaign:
          "Kill him/her, kill him/her, kill him/her."

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          • Nevertheless I stand by my last statement...

            "Just because people don't necessarily agree with you, it doesn't mean that your right has been removed."

            And I do not agree...
            What a person says re:speech, in reference to making a video about a religion or a government or whatever... to which a person reacts and murders people.
            The ACT of murder committed by the reactive person is where the fault lies.

            That's my opinion.

            The "Shanon's Law" analogy is not applicable because the person pulling the trigger of the gun which fired the bullet which killed Shannon is an identifiable person who did not intend the outcome, but committed the distinct act (pulled the trigger of the gun), thus committing at the very least manslaughter, not murder (as murder is intentional).

            A person creating a video saying that "Muslims suck and I hate them", that person did not pull a trigger, they were just saying stupid things. But may have possibly, MAYBE, angered another person who made a distinct decision to consciously go out and MURDER. That person and only that person who makes the decision to commit the crime bears the guilt at that point.
            Big difference.

            The bullying and slander laws are also very different...
            Last edited by cori93437; 09-27-2012, 10:48 AM.
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            • Originally posted by anna5 View Post
              There is no such thing as absolute freedom of speech and .... it shouldn't be.
              I wonder how many of absolutists would continue being so if someone started a campaign:
              "Kill him/her, kill him/her, kill him/her."
              Yeah.

              There are already laws that cover that.
              And it wasn't really part of the topic here...
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              • Originally posted by Grok View Post
                There is a phrase that goes like this:

                "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

                You should repeat this phrase over and over again until you have memorized it and can repeat it back to me.

                There is no word, no word at all, which I can shout out into the air and have it heard by a little girl who dies because of it.
                But you wouldn't shout it in the air, would you. You'd post it on facebook, or maybe a (as you seem to prefer) youtube video for everyone to see. You'd make sure that your words were heard by as many people as possible and make that little girl's life a living hell. And how do you know it wouldn't kill her (or at least her spirit) in the end?

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                • Originally posted by anna5 View Post
                  I wonder how many of absolutists would continue being so if someone started a campaign:
                  "Kill him/her, kill him/her, kill him/her."
                  Oh, you mean like the Obama/Romney campaign?
                  Kill these Muslims/Kill those Muslims, Kill these brown people/Kill those brown people.

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                  • Originally posted by Nady View Post
                    I'm sure this worked wonderfully 250 years ago, when everyone's opinions stopped at our shores. My thoughts however, were along the lines of careless speech that results in the death of innocent people half a world away. It's all well and good to point the finger at the murderers as responsible, but if you knew your words could result in the death of others, would you still say them? Or would you consider that not every culture thinks/reacts the same as Americans and temper your speech?

                    I'm all in favor of free speech, but I think I would choose my words more carefully, considering the current climate of the modern world.
                    Are you saying people should self regulate their freedom of speech or that the government should regulate it?
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                    • I don't get how Shannon's law is applicable or relevant tbh
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                      • Originally posted by kenn View Post
                        I don't get how Shannon's law is applicable or relevant tbh
                        Yeah...
                        It's not.
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                        • Originally posted by Nady View Post
                          But you wouldn't shout it in the air, would you. You'd post it on facebook, or maybe a (as you seem to prefer) youtube video for everyone to see. You'd make sure that your words were heard by as many people as possible and make that little girl's life a living hell. And how do you know it wouldn't kill her (or at least her spirit) in the end?
                          Yeah, I wouldn't get any backlash at all for being a jerk to a little girl, no, none at all...

                          If I were a jerk and say something nasty about a little girl, then everyone else on the planet would give me a taste of my own medicine.

                          Whose spirit would be killed, and whose would be lifted after that?

                          Nady, the discussion we should be having is Obama's foreign policy, not censoring YouTube.

                          With Obama, the buck doesn't stop with him, the buck stops with some YouTube video which nobody has watched before.

                          US ambassadors are being killed because we bomb a bunch of innocent people and occupy the Middle East, not because we have free speech and we have YouTube.

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                          • Originally posted by kenn View Post
                            Are you saying people should self regulate their freedom of speech or that the government should regulate it?
                            Dude, this thread is SO FAR BEYOND that very reasoned, apropos question that it doesn't even matter anymore.
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                            • Originally posted by kenn View Post
                              Are you saying people should self regulate their freedom of speech or that the government should regulate it?
                              I'm saying that people should stop and think why they're using this freedom. Yes, self regulate. I don't want government to step in. I don't want to lose any of our freedoms. But I'm afraid if people keep flapping their gums without engaging their brains, it could happen. Not every country sees our freedom of speech as a positive thing. And words have started wars before.

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                              • Originally posted by kenn View Post
                                I don't get how Shannon's law is applicable or relevant tbh
                                Because people do things all the time without thinking about the possible consequences. Do you ever consider, when you see a bunch of people shooting guns in the air in celebration, that what goes up must come down, and at the same speed?

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