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  • #61
    Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    The only totally free market is an anarchist system.
    Which isn't happening! LOL
    “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
    ~Friedrich Nietzsche
    And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by DavidBrennan View Post
      Yeah, anyway, like I said, you people are ignorant, and I'm not going to teach you about growth curve equations (but I do think you'd understand the word "down", at least), nor am I going to try to educate you about the economic principles of larger populations and the dynamic market forces which lead to exponentially increasing innovation and problem solving.

      Instead, this thread is meant to solve the problem of the dudes who have 8% as much sperm as their dads did.
      Hey, wait a minute Mr "Free Market and human ingenuity will fix everything", isn't your hysteria about so called dwindling fertility a contradiction to that hypothesis? How is it that the free market can fix the dwindling resources problem and not the dwindling fertility one?
      Buy house, Demolish house, Build house.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Blackcatbone View Post
        Hey, wait a minute Mr "Free Market and human ingenuity will fix everything", isn't your hysteria about so called dwindling fertility a contradiction to that hypothesis? How is it that the free market can fix the dwindling resources problem and not the dwindling fertility one?
        I agree, perhaps this is the free market response to over population?

        Of course, I also don't believe that some guy being an ass on an internet forum will ever make one iota of difference to poor stricken infertile Russia (or anywhere else for that matter).
        At BEST all any person can do is deal with their own private fertility/infertility issues. No more, no less.
        Then again... maybe the Russian government is monitoring all of your communications with urgent hope!
        “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
          Which isn't happening! LOL
          Well, it could happen if things collapse. That's a whole 'nother discussion.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
            I agree, perhaps this is the free market response to over population?
            This is exactly what I was thinking myself, but I hadn't communicated it. Dwindling fertility is the market's response to dwindling ability to consume.

            Here's a very basic element of ecology. If a population of anything is well-fed and taken care of, they grow. The reason that population of whatever species exists at that point in time is because it outgrew whatever existed before it, so there is guaranteed evidence that the said species can grow. If our species doesn't get less food or suffer more deaths, it will lower its fertility. This could be a permanent gene thing, but more likely it is a cultural meme (belief) and lifestyle (ie nutrition) that can be reversed whenever our species might need to pump out some babies for survival. Something must change: lower fertility, more death, less food. Which one do you want? If you say none, then you better show how you can increase the size of the pie. You can't use historical evidence for this one though because historically, the European-American society always solved the problem by expanding to tribal lands and taking over. There's nowhere else to do this anymore. Sure we came up with more technologies, but technology never saved us from anything in the past.
            Last edited by wiltondeportes; 09-13-2012, 03:44 PM.

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            • #66
              Lew Rockwell posted a great educational video today about free market environmentalism covering topics, like air pollution, paper versus plastic, overpopulation, forests, running out of resources, species extinction, environmental racism, global warming, and buying local.

              Libertarianism and Environmentalism « LewRockwell.com Blog

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              • #67
                Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                Well, it could happen if things collapse. That's a whole 'nother discussion.
                Yeah, I kind of meant "isn't happening voluntarily by the powers that be..." and all that you know.
                “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                • #68
                  How many of you dudes carry your phones by your balls?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Grok View Post
                    Lew Rockwell posted a great educational video today about free market environmentalism covering topics, like air pollution, paper versus plastic, overpopulation, forests, running out of resources, species extinction, environmental racism, global warming, and buying local.

                    Libertarianism and Environmentalism « LewRockwell.com Blog

                    Summarize. If you can't write how you feel on the topics in a few paragraphs, you don't know them well enough. I don't have time to watch a 42 minute video.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                      Summarize. If you can't write how you feel on the topics in a few paragraphs, you don't know them well enough. I don't have time to watch a 42 minute video.
                      Well, I would do the great Walter Block an injustice if I tried to summarize his educational lecture in a few paragraphs.

                      All pollution is caused either directly or indirectly by government. Free market forces are the ultimate regulations on environmental control.

                      The biggest insight I got out of the video was when he explained that the only reason why there was a lot of pollution in the industrial age was because the government, which had a monopoly on justice, was not enforcing property rights.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Grok View Post
                        Well, I would do the great Walter Block an injustice if I tried to summarize his educational lecture in a few paragraphs.

                        All pollution is caused either directly or indirectly by government. Free market forces are the ultimate regulations on environmental control.

                        The biggest insight I got out of the video was when he explained that the only reason why there was a lot of pollution in the industrial age was because the government, which had a monopoly on justice, was not enforcing property rights.
                        I can definitely go with this since I am liberal (permissive) economically and socially when it comes to big government. I start to get conservative (non-permissive) when it gets down to the local stuff though.

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                        • #72
                          Here is my attempt, let's see how well I retained the information from the video:

                          air pollution: private property problem. If private property were actually enforced and justice were not actually a monopoly controlled by guns and violence, then nobody would be allowed to pollute the air.

                          paper vs plastic: if you actually had to pay for the disposal of the plastic instead of relying on the government to pick up your trash, then you would be paying a lot more to dispose of plastic bags instead of paper bags (assuming what environmental wackos say is actually true).

                          overpopulation: If everyone on the planet had a middle class home with a yard, you could fit the entire population in the state of texas. If you crammed every human being into a cube, the cube would only have to be 1 mile squared. The midwest is virtually unpopulated.

                          forests: can't remember what he said.

                          running out of resources: If prices are not manipulated by government, then when resources are low, they become expensive, thus less people buy them, and also more people look for more of that resource.

                          buying local: this is just common sense, most of what you buy is made 10,000 miles away. Mozart, The Beatles, most really good stuff is not local.

                          environmental racism: he talked about how poor people are usually in high polluted areas and the reasons for this is because either companies take advantage of poor people who can't sue them, or else companies homestead some land and the value of the surrounding land becomes lower and thus more affordable for poor people. The former is bad, and the latter is good because you want poor people to be able to afford land.

                          I forget exactly what he said about the other stuff. And I'm sure I butchered what he said in the video pretty good because I have a really crappy memory. So you should really just watch the video instead of relying on my poor memory. It's usually pretty difficult to go from learning something to teaching something.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Grok View Post
                            running out of resources: If prices are not manipulated by government, then when resources are low, they become expensive, thus less people buy them, and also more people look for more of that resource.
                            How does that work with water?
                            Buy house, Demolish house, Build house.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Grok View Post
                              Here is my attempt, let's see how well I retained the information from the video:

                              air pollution: private property problem. If private property were actually enforced and justice were not actually a monopoly controlled by guns and violence, then nobody would be allowed to pollute the air.

                              paper vs plastic: if you actually had to pay for the disposal of the plastic instead of relying on the government to pick up your trash, then you would be paying a lot more to dispose of plastic bags instead of paper bags (assuming what environmental wackos say is actually true).

                              overpopulation: If everyone on the planet had a middle class home with a yard, you could fit the entire population in the state of texas. If you crammed every human being into a cube, the cube would only have to be 1 mile squared. The midwest is virtually unpopulated.

                              forests: can't remember what he said.

                              running out of resources: If prices are not manipulated by government, then when resources are low, they become expensive, thus less people buy them, and also more people look for more of that resource.

                              buying local: this is just common sense, most of what you buy is made 10,000 miles away. Mozart, The Beatles, most really good stuff is not local.

                              environmental racism: he talked about how poor people are usually in high polluted areas and the reasons for this is because either companies take advantage of poor people who can't sue them, or else companies homestead some land and the value of the surrounding land becomes lower and thus more affordable for poor people. The former is bad, and the latter is good because you want poor people to be able to afford land.

                              I forget exactly what he said about the other stuff. And I'm sure I butchered what he said in the video pretty good because I have a really crappy memory. So you should really just watch the video instead of relying on my poor memory. It's usually pretty difficult to go from learning something to teaching something.
                              Thanks, I will watch the video. As for that last part: you only truly learn something when you can teach it. If you can't teach it, you are merely believing in it.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Blackcatbone View Post
                                How does that work with water?
                                If water becomes very expensive, then more people get into the water business because there is a lot of profit to be made in water. Entrepreneurs then find innovative ways to look for new water, say deep underground, or perhaps from arctic ice, or converting salt water into fresh water.

                                Take another example, where fresh water is hard to find in a local area where a disaster has hit, say some hurricane. If the price of fresh water does not sky rocket, then it would mean that the limited amounts of water would go to the people who first buy it instead of the people who most need it.

                                The same goes for gas, or anything. If prices are not allowed to freely fluctuate, then the resources will not go to those who most desperately need the resource.

                                If hurricane Katrina hits and something happens to you and you need fresh water and gas to get to a hospital to survive, then the only way you can be assured you will get that water is if prices are allowed to go up. If government comes in and tries to control prices, then you end up with shortages. Then the people who most need the resources do not get them.

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