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  • #16
    Originally posted by AmyMac703 View Post
    Lol, our species should want my genes. Call me arrogant if you want, but I'm smart and naturally athletic. Problem is, people like me look at the state of the planet and go "oh eff that, I'm not going to bring a child into this world," ... whereas dumb (literally), uneducated morons continue to shit out kids every couple of years, and our (American) society enables them.
    Don't believe me? Walk around in Wal-Mart for a few hours on a Saturday.
    I think that's too pessimistic.

    You can certainly find an opinion somewhat like that in Francis Galton (Darwin's cousin) -- and, truth be told, here and there in Darwin himself, too. (Biologists don't like to admit that, because the great man has been rather hagiographied ... but it's a fact.) However, you immediately run into a problem with evolutionary theory if say that it's everywhere and always operative and always does the needful ... but at the same time needs a helping hand. Huh? How could it?

    The brilliant Australian philosopher David Stove is very good on this:

    Amazon.com: Darwinian Fairytales: Selfish Genes, Errors of Heredity and Other Fables of Evolution (9781594032004): David Stove: Books

    I think the fact of the matter is that evolution works on such a long timescale, that all this was sorted out long ago. Human beings are very finely-tuned creatures well-suited to their environment and, while genetics is part of the picture, the heredity of Wal-Mart couple really isn't that bad.

    What, I think, matters is epigenetics. A human being, whatever his or her genetic potential, is not going to realize it unless getting the ideal environmental circumstances (including, of course, nutrition) from pre-conception onwards.

    If people get bad enough nutrition, then I suppose they won't be able to breed -- just like Pottenger's cats after a few generations.

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    • #17
      Original post: People are being savagely assaulted and the damage from those attacks is likely irreparable.

      Response: "Assaulting people is good!"

      Response = Fail.

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      • #18
        I'm not saying that evolution doesn't happen, I'm saying that the processes that drove human evolution for thousands and thousands of years aren't really present in modern human society. Not having read the book you linked (just the summary on Amazon), I'd argue that altruism isn't a point of evidence against the theory of evolution -- just a "fluke" in our development that may ultimately contribute to our demise as a species. It's not as though such an occurrence (a species adopts a trait or behavior for whatever reason that initially seems good but turns out to be bad in the long term) is limited only to homo sapiens when it comes to the entire biological history of the planet.

        And I totally agree that genetics is only part of the equation, but do you really think that Wal-Mart child's parents are going to feed him healthy food and tell him to read more and go outside and exercise instead of watching Judge Judy or whatever the hell they like to watch nowadays?

        I guess infertility in stupid people who eat cheetos and coke all day might help the process of evolution over a few generations, but unfortunately we won't be around to see that day.
        Subduction leads to orogeny

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DavidBrennan View Post
          Original post: People are being savagely assaulted and the damage from those attacks is likely irreparable.

          Response: "Assaulting people is good!"

          Response = Fail.
          Horseshit.
          “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
          ~Friedrich Nietzsche
          And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
            Horseshit.
            Is a great fertilizer
            Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
            Starting Weight: 294 pounds
            Current Weight: 235 pounds
            Goal Weight: 195 pounds

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            • #21
              Only YOU can prevent forest fires. And, only YOU can stop the infertility epidemic. Now get out there tiger!

              Originally posted by Chaohinon View Post
              Given how huge the human population is compared to what the planet can sustain, I don't really see low fertility being a bad thing.
              My thoughts exactly.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by kenn View Post
                Is a great fertilizer
                If I could sprinkle the line this thread is selling around my Calamondin tree, I'd have a BUMPER crop!
                I'd be in regular Calamondin heaven.

                As it it... I guess I'll have to keep composting.
                Internetz crapola doesn't transfer too well.
                “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                  Horseshit.
                  X eleventy billion.
                  Buy house, Demolish house, Build house.

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                  • #24
                    In the past, people bred like rabbits because 1) we were mostly an agrarian society and children = free labor, and 2) no reliable birth control.

                    Anyway, with China and India having a massive deficit of girls due to infanticide/selective birth, it'll all balance out somewhere.
                    F 28/5'4/100 lbs

                    "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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                    • #25
                      I don't think diet alone can stop the "infertility epidemic" - there are plenty of other factors, but most of them (like diet) boil down to making smart choices about what you put in your body.
                      one example: I'm amazed by how many women take hormonal birth control for 20 years and then wonder why on earth they can't get pregnant.

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                      • #26
                        Wow. This thread has turned into yet another internet thread dominated by creepy childless people who want everybody else to be childless. I explicitly requested you unnatural, sterile, barren people not post here in the OP because of your tendency to dominate internet threads with your anti-human philosophical ramblings. (All the useful people are too busy tending to their children to get in these dumb arguments, apparently.)

                        So I don't want to get into a discussion about "overpopulation" because experience has taught me that you people tend to be fundamentalists and fundamentalists just don't care about information or ideas. You're convinced that "Mother Earth" has "too many people" and some external force must stop people from fulfilling the most Primal need of all: procreation.

                        You're ignorant of human resourcefulness, economics, environmental history, Moore's Law, and countless other vitally relevant concepts. It's not my job to educate you, and experience has taught me that there's no point in it, anyhow.

                        Suffice to say: Just don't have children and keep your creepy, impotent and barren hands off my body and my family's bodies.

                        Anyway, this thread was started because of a frightening study showing that, globally, sperm levels are dropping so rapidly that the World Health Organization has had to drastically recalibrate to get a new "average", which is about 8% of what the average was two generations ago. I don't know what's causing this epidemic of sterility, but I actually hope that it's something related to diet so that it can be solved. Any ideas or solutions are welcome.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by PrimalMama View Post
                          ....

                          I'm amazed by how many women take hormonal birth control for 20 years and then wonder why on earth they can't get pregnant.
                          Yes. I have first-hand experience with this with an ex-girlfriend who's now been "TTC" for about two years. It's very heartbreaking to watch a seemingly healthy young woman not be able to have a child. Her and her fiance will end up having to pay a doctor tens of thousands of dollars just to be able to do something that should be as natural as breathing.

                          I've heard of all sorts of bizarre side-effects of these birth control pills, including one from a smart dude who I trusted a lot. But I never really got into the nitty-gritty of it (maybe I'm too focused on the male component of things).

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                          • #28
                            I'm not sterile or childless or barren.
                            But I did decide, with a very clear conscience, NOT to have a whole freaking LITTER of the little darlings.

                            You, my dear weird man, are the creepy one.

                            Now, instead of sitting there typing... get out and impregnate as many women as possible and STOP this CRISIS!!! OR the human race will cease to EXIST!

                            Also... BC... waiting until 35-40 years old might not have anything to do with that equation other than the BC?? Because those are the PRIME baby having years??? LOL
                            Derp.
                            Last edited by cori93437; 09-13-2012, 12:57 PM.
                            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                              Now, instead of sitting there typing... get out and impregnate as many women as possible and STOP this CRISIS!!! OR the human race will cease to EXIST!
                              Oh, hilarious!

                              What idiocy.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DavidBrennan View Post
                                Wow. This thread has turned into yet another internet thread dominated by creepy childless people who want everybody else to be childless. I explicitly requested you unnatural, sterile, barren people not post here in the OP because of your tendency to dominate internet threads with your anti-human philosophical ramblings. (All the useful people are too busy tending to their children to get in these dumb arguments, apparently.)
                                If you weren't such a reactionary jackass, insulting people who've made different choices than you, then the "Darwinian dead ends" wouldn't be here. And I have to agree with Cori. You're coming across as pretty damned creepy, getting all up in the privates of everyone who isn't in lock-step with your ideas.

                                *Oh yeah, and are you new to the internet or something? Once you post something it's fair game to whoever wants to partake, no matter how much you baw about it..
                                Buy house, Demolish house, Build house.

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