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  • 80/10/10 raw veganism is more paleo than nutritional ketosis.

    I'm sorry, I have to say it. This idea that blood sugar should never rise, ever, and carrying around a glucometer and ketone meter are the path to optimal health, and that ketogenic bliss somehow relates to "ancestral health" at large is a hefty, steamy pile of bullshit. I'm sure even the Massai and the Inuit would think this idea is bullshit. We need to abandon this Grass-Fed Atkins shit quick if we want any scientist worth their title to take this movement seriously. You can't model a diet based on evolutionary biology on the idea that glucose is poison.

    I'm serious, Gary Taubes, Jimmy Moore and Ron Rosedale are the worst things that ever happened to paleo.

    Or maybe I'm just cranky because the extra protein took me out of ketosis.

  • #2
    Bullshit. And even more bullshit.

    Have some bacon. Take a nap. You'll feel better tomorrow.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RaeVynn View Post
      Bullshit. And even more bullshit.

      Have some bacon. Take a nap. You'll feel better tomorrow.
      Bacon has too much protein in it. I don't want to get caught in the zone of misery. I'll have some heavy whipping cream mixed with spinach instead.

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      • #4
        haha
        well then

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        • #5
          who cares

          seriously

          no, i mean... seriously
          beautiful
          yeah you are

          Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
          lol

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          • #6
            ^ That doesn't mean much coming from you. You don't really care about anything.

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            • #7
              sure i do

              i have a very select and exclusive set of cares

              but i have a question for you. think back, back to time immemorial. how would ancestral man have eaten 80% carbs?

              sure, fruit is the easiest. but fruit season is short and fruit itself spoils quickly.

              okay let's go to fall with, perhaps, starchy tubers. the edible tuber season is a few weeks at most.

              80/10/10 is not paleo. nutritional ketosis is not paleo. back then man ate whatever he could find that he knew wouldn't kill him (and sometimes in famine he had to hope and guess that something growing was edible), through knowledge passed down vocally through elder tribe members who experienced poisoning or watched other tribe members die from eating poisonous plant matter

              vast periods of famine with not long enough periods of feast are paleo. bug eating is paleo. hunting and inner organ eating is paleo. numbers counting is not
              beautiful
              yeah you are

              Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
              lol

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              • #8
                Let's ignore ancestral man for now. Let's think about current hunter gatherers, and how only a select few, like the Inuit and Massai, don't eat a whole lot of starch. Most others do. How do they get their starch? From fruit, from tubers, from fucking palm trees (sago), from available grains. Now think back to the paleolithic. Subtract several billion from the current world population, consider (barring ice ages) nothing but a world full of thriving ecosystems. How exactly would man NOT be able to find starch?

                You might not think nutritional ketosis is paleo, but I've been hearing all about how ketosis is the natural state of man. Exactly how much the Ancestral Health Symposium was dedicated to ketosis? How about that idiotic safe starches panel?

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                • #9
                  So why exactly is ketosis so bad?
                  In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
                    Let's ignore ancestral man for now. Let's think about current hunter gatherers, and how only a select few, like the Inuit and Massai, don't eat a whole lot of starch. Most others do. How do they get their starch? From fruit, from tubers, from fucking palm trees (sago), from available grains. Now think back to the paleolithic. Subtract several billion from the current world population, consider (barring ice ages) nothing but a world full of thriving ecosystems. How exactly would man NOT be able to find starch?

                    You might not think nutritional ketosis is paleo, but I've been hearing all about how ketosis is the natural state of man. Exactly how much the Ancestral Health Symposium was dedicated to ketosis? How about that idiotic safe starches panel?
                    the only 'natural state of man' was the state we were evolved to be, hunter gatherers. there is nothing natural about our world now so none of the terminology can apply. i mean, sure, is way back when man lived in a temperate climate he'd have food from palm trees and fruit and starchy tubers for longer periods, but he's still subjected to the seasons. but now the entire world farms and if one type of food isn't native then it's bred and rebred and spliced to fit better

                    the philosophy of it all doesn't fit

                    but this is me being nit picky. to say 'this is more paleo than THIS' is fairly disingenuous because it's all branches of the same tree. if one way works better for you then that's great, do that
                    beautiful
                    yeah you are

                    Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                    lol

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                    • #11
                      I don't know.

                      The indigenous humans of New Zealand ate the moa to extinction, and have particularly seasonal veggie foods: potato/sweet potato, a berry that has to be processed 17 times before it's edible, and several leafy greens that have seasons (there's a spinach, kavakava, and of course fiddleheads when they are in season, and a sort of "asparagus."

                      the rest of their diet -- which is to say the majority -- is seafood -- paua and other mussels, fish of all kinds, and eel are all on the maori fishing calendar (there are seasons).

                      Also, the maori sometimes ate each other (other tribes, usually -- and yes, there are documented cases).

                      The aboriginals of Australia seem to eat the indigenous animals and the indigenous fruit and veggies -- which also seem to have a season. I don't know a ton about their diets per se.

                      The aboriginals of the Americas have really diverse diets, but most of them are based in hunting and gathering, which also has distinct seasons, though many in the southwest north american and central american regions had the "three sisters" of maze, pumpkin, and beans (more cultivated foods), but also likely had the greatest food diversity and less animal diversity than those in the temperate bands who had more distinct seasons and times with snow.

                      Really, looking at the way humans ate before we had the sort of farming and distribution we have now -- people in the tropical bands tend to eat more fruit and coconuts and veg because it's more readily available, then in the temperate bands, it goes to a more "paleo" as we understand it today version with seasonal foods and meats/fat. And finally, you head farther north or into arid areas in any band, and you see a predominately meat/milk/blood based diet.

                      Just how it rolls out.

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                      • #12
                        I left out seaweed and costal succulent herbs that the maori also used.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                          sure i do

                          i have a very select and exclusive set of cares

                          but i have a question for you. think back, back to time immemorial. how would ancestral man have eaten 80% carbs?

                          sure, fruit is the easiest. but fruit season is short and fruit itself spoils quickly.

                          okay let's go to fall with, perhaps, starchy tubers. the edible tuber season is a few weeks at most.

                          80/10/10 is not paleo. nutritional ketosis is not paleo. back then man ate whatever he could find that he knew wouldn't kill him (and sometimes in famine he had to hope and guess that something growing was edible), through knowledge passed down vocally through elder tribe members who experienced poisoning or watched other tribe members die from eating poisonous plant matter

                          vast periods of famine with not long enough periods of feast are paleo. bug eating is paleo. hunting and inner organ eating is paleo. numbers counting is not
                          You're assuming man in a climate such as what you describe. African climates have carby foods available for a much greater duration. However in a large study of current hunter-gatherers, not a single one was vegan. Pretty clear to me that vegan is not paleo.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                            You're assuming man in a climate such as what you describe. African climates have carby foods available for a much greater duration. However in a large study of current hunter-gatherers, not a single one was vegan. Pretty clear to me that vegan is not paleo.
                            AFAIK there has never been a vegan civilization in all of known prehistory OR history.
                            Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

                            My Primal Journal

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                            • #15
                              i addendumed in my next post
                              beautiful
                              yeah you are

                              Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                              lol

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