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  • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
    I'm not talking about outliers with genuine chronic ailments. I'm talking about when I go shopping and can't get through the aisles because 9 out of 10 people at too fat to walk past. Total BS. There's no way you can pretend the obese masses are ALL afflicted with such issues. I look in their grocery carts. Nothing but frozen pizzas.
    I have to agree a little. There are not a lot of fat people where I live but those that are and I know eat cake and shit regulary.

    Why do people get mad at this comment? Sure CW says grains are healthy but they also have an average calorie setpoint which a lot of people don't follow.
    My dad eats like 1 bowl of muesli and a slice of bread a day but at night empties a jar of peanut butter and he doesn't understand why he's overweight, yet he is very aware of calories. I have to say that in THAT case you're a little stupid
    well then

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    • I think in the end it boils down to we are human. We each have our own ideal of what's sexy, healthy, etc. Can any of us look at a 500 lb man/woman and think "now there's a healthy human"? No, of course not. We also have no business making judgements on that person either. We don't know what brought them there.

      It's also a two way street with being underweight. Models are super skinny because their job requires them to sell clothes. They are literally walking hangers. There are also plenty of underweight people who really try to gain and can't. They are probably really tired of being called anorexic or bulimic, when they are not.

      The media is the media. It will show us thin and thick and everything inbetween. It will tell us that Kate Moss is too skinny and Oprah is too fat. Who's richer?

      There are lots of places in the world where large women/men are idolized. For the women it means fertility and ability to protect a child in her womb. For men it's the trait of success.

      If you don't want to hang with "fat" people, don't. But, also keep your comments to yourself. It's not your place to correct or chastise someone because they are not YOUR ideal shape or size. You can only work on yourself. If you want those thin legs, work hard and save money and get lipo.

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      • I'm kinda with Kinifegill on this one. I've always had an appreciation for nice looking stuff. Whether it's people, clothing, furniture, homes etc.
        I know not everywhere in the US is like here, but where I live vast majority of people don't put any effort towards looking decent.
        I constantly see obese people eating and drinking junk. It's not just about food, weight and body shape either. I hardly see anyone wearing nice clothes anymore. I don't mean expensive designer labels and stuff, come on pjs in public???
        Well, if I'm shallow than so be it.
        Last edited by Graycat; 08-25-2012, 10:57 AM.

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        • Originally posted by Luce View Post
          If they are too large to pass by then they are not healthy.
          You assume people gets fat because they want to, or because they're morons, or because they're sloths or because they're gluttons -or maybe all of that mixed in different proportions.
          I think you are wrong.
          People gets fat because most of what they know about health and nutrition is wrong, and most of what they know is been taught in universities and comes from their own doctors so I really don't feel like blaming a weekly pizza on them: those are after all healthy accepted carbs. The SAD prescription includes carbs enough to fuel my whole week and only a fraction of the calories I need: I would be obese and nutritionally deficient if I followed advice like that, and maybe they are exactly at that.
          Here in Italy things are not as bad as in the United States but you have the golden boys of nutritional science (call it that way) preaching grains and starch in TV and candidly advising an ice cream at lunch in summer is a perfectly reasonable and healthy choice. Then wonder how comes children with T2D are doubling their number and obesity rates in teens are terrible.
          Nobody CHOOSES to get fat, unhealthy, diabetic and disabled; they end up like that because they are genetically, socially, economically or educationally more vulnerable to situations which lead to obesity and its complications.
          I only feel grateful to people who helped me -and keeps on helping me- regain health and hope I'll be able to do the same for others, judging others because of their size I just find it a waste of time.

          Luce
          I think this is very true. Very few people WANT to be obese or believe they are okay being obese (there are some outliers), and most don't have something like Cushings that is grossly effecting their hormones. Many if not most are following a SAD diet and having a hard time because carbs, esp. wheat, as we all know, are addictive! Hello exorphins. Add to that the stress and stigma of being overweight and you're only MORE likely to turn to those foods that give you a positive brain hit.

          At some point I think a lot of people DO give up - not out of laziness or sloth or gluttony so much as trying to long to have great self-control following SAD guidelines and having no success.

          I was nearly at that point before discovering paleo/primal living (after losing 15 lbs. by reducing portion sizes, but then stalling out and unable to lose any more despite only eating 1500 or so calories a day) - and now that I'm seeing results I'm more motivated than ever. I'm signing up for a freaking 5k even! I would never have done that before.

          It's made me an evangelist for this lifestyle - even though at Christmas I remember laughing with my cousin about her paleo Thanksgiving and how sad that must have been (her sister, my other cousin, made the switch last year and drug Ruth into it kicking and screaming since they were living together at the time).

          And now I think I'm rambling instead of making a point, so I'm gonna stop now . . .
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          • Hike the Appalachian Trail
          • Do a real pull-up
          • Run a 5k
          • Be "Hot For Training Camp"



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          • At the time, I thought that going paleo WAS giving up. I was sure eating all that red meat and saturated fat was going to make me fat and blow my heart up but I really didn't care anymore.
            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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            • I mean, ultimately, EVERYONE has excuses why it's hard to lose weight and stay in shape and blablabla. What makes the difference is whether you use the hardships in your life to progress and become better/more resilient/tougher or just curl in a ball and complain about how hard and unfair life is. And the hell with ''well some people have it easier than me, so I'll just do nothing and lower my standards for myself because it's much easier this way''. No one said it was supposed to be a fair race. Deal with it, keep on going, give everything you've got and please stop complaining.
              I agree to an extent, but at what point is it OK just to be happy with your body? I absolutely agree that if you weigh 400lbs, you need to drop the doritos and move. But if say, you are a woman at 24% body fat, and to get to 22% you have to drop the fruit, eat once every 12 hours, lean protein and green veggies only, heavy lift 4 days a week and cardio 4 days a week for an hour.... wouldn't we be better off encouraging a healthy lifestyle and a fit body vs. celebrating people's bodies who do crazy, unhealthy shit to be lean?

              I think it comes back to the whole "morality" thing. We tend to admire people who can restrict and avoid all temptation, and you know what... it does pay off in a great body for some people. But maybe it would be nice to also admire people that balance it out and enjoy foods.

              I mean, ultimately, yeah, I'd love to be with someone who looks like a body builder, but I don't want to be with someone who can't enjoy food or is obsessive about exercise. I also don't want to be with a slob that treats their body like a dumpster.

              And I agree, people today have gotten sloppy about appearance and unfortunately fashion is designed for that lucky 5% of society.... which ends up making people look fatter than they really are. I have a really simple formula of what I'll wear.... and it is hard to find clothes in flattering cuts.

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              • I was at a figure competition last night...
                I can with all confidence say that I would NOT like to be with a bodybuilder... and neither would my husband.
                He cringed a lot. And was all "Holy shit... do these girls not ever eat?" "She's going to pass out..." "I can see every bone... and muscle... "
                He did however like some of the "bikini model" girls who lost... the ones who still had bodyfat!!! LOL

                It was actually a little sad... at least two of the female contestants actually looked like they might fall out while they were posing on stage... looking pale and weak even through the spray on tans. One of them was wobbly and could hardly muster up the strength to smile for her third place trophy... yeah, she was SHRED... cut so hard it was gross. Bleh.
                I don't know why some of the girls do that...
                Most of them seem to manage their cut in a manner so that they look really fit AND also alive/healthy.

                I know the truth... all of those girls are going to look MUCH better when they eat and hydrate!
                But I still wouldn't want to cuddle with them.
                Not my style.
                Or their veiny/shreddy dude counterparts. *gag*
                “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                • BodyBuilders in the gym I go to look healthy enough, the female trainer doesn't have a waist but that's the way her body is built. I hate the tan lotions though, those make people look terrible -like overcooked lean steaks.

                  (never understood why a woman would want to look shredded)


                  Fashion designers -some of them- really don't have a clear idea about how a female body is built, but you can't accuse Valentino, Armani, Christian Dior and Yves Saint Laurent (when alive and designing), Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana (for their main lines, those adult oriented), of not loving the female figure. More fashion female friendly goes with Alberta Ferretti, Burani, Franchi. Versace, Elie Saab, Zuhair Murad, Junia Watanabe, Chanel and that crazy genius Karl Laggerfeld is, you may find the right clothes and fit for anybody reasonable healthy or pointing toward health even if they're not size zero. Think Hervé Leroux or Max Azria.
                  This doesn't imply each piece of fabric will hang the right way on you, I can't strut flapper dresses or balloon skirts and do a lot better on belted dresses or bandage dresses or baggie jeans. Cigaret pants look like shit on me, pair those with a baggy shirt and flats and I'll clearly resemble a fridge -a bad dressed fridge.


                  Nobody wakes up in the morning thinking: hey, you know, today I'm going to get lazier and fatter and dress with my worse pijama pants, kuddos! It happens, you think you are doing well, pile up a pound or two and then some other, you up your healthy grains, work, run, get stressed, all that just to wake up one day with things not going as you were promised by your doctor, all CV and advertisement. Some people at that point abandons the fight and I really don't feel like blaming it all on themselves.

                  Then curvy is curvy and blatantly fat is blatantly fat: I've met some professional BBW and all I can say is most of them were Big and Women but the Beautiful was totally missing. They have their fanclub though and a nice share of success in their thing.


                  Luce
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                  • Originally posted by Luce View Post
                    Nobody wakes up in the morning thinking: hey, you know, today I'm going to get lazier and fatter and dress with my worse pijama pants, kuddos! It happens, you think you are doing well, pile up a pound or two and then some other, you up your healthy grains, work, run, get stressed, all that just to wake up one day with things not going as you were promised by your doctor, all CV and advertisement. Some people at that point abandons the fight and I really don't feel like blaming it all on themselves.
                    No, but some people wake up in the morning thinking ''hey, I'm going to be more awesome at the end of the day than at the start. I'll make efforts to be wiser, smarter and healthier and have a better life''. And they do, and they don't waste time finding excuses.

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                    • My husband had been one of those that assumed heavy people were stuffing their faces and were lazy about changing anything..............until I put on 30 pounds in a couple of months while eating hardly anything and walking miles and miles every week. Rita Rose had it right. Sometimes your body has different plans than you do.

                      Like Knifegill, I get a lot of my food at Grocery Outlet. Lower income people shop there and at Walmart and there is a definite higher percentage of overweight people shopping there than say, Whole Foods. That doesn't mean the Pacific Northwest has more overweight people than other areas of the country. Plenty of vitamin D to be had here, also.

                      I really believe that people are not receiving the proper education about how things you eat affect other things. That is what I found so fascinating about the initial chapters of Primal Blueprint. All this great information I could have known 40 years ago!! Keeping that in my mind and changing how I eat accordingly, while it hasn't given me a magical weightloss beyond the initial 20 pounds, has given me so many other positive benefits. My husband has/had a horrible sweet tooth and had accepted that at 66 years old would have that big belly that aging men get and couldn't do anything about it. Down 40 pounds and is at his high school weight because we learned that what is being sold to the masses right now is not what your body needs to function. His medical problems are vastly improved. As for me, I still struggle with society pressures and worry more about the scale than I need to. I think that is why there are so many weight loss posts, like the OP pointed out.

                      My husband has known me since I was 15, 5' 10' and 120 pounds. I am almost 54, still 5' 10" and am back down to 186 pounds from 206, yet at no point did I look obese. Interestingly enough, even though the scale isn't moving I can see my body composition changing. Focusing on numbers, whether weight or clothing size, is counter productive. I have never worn smaller than a 12 nor larger than a 16 in spite of an eighty pound difference in weight. I am finally getting to the point where I am able to focus more on what my body can do versus the need to be skinny. It has been a struggle, let me tell you! It is really difficult when you do everything CW says will work and have it do exactly the opposite.
                      Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt.

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                      • The problem here is that we lack clairvoyance. nobody else knows why you are fat. if you know why you are fat and you are not doing anything to control it then damn you to hell. if you dont know and you are searching then +1 to you and best of luck on the journey.

                        Honestly i think that anyone who is HWP and calls out any person that isn't HWP needs to get a broom shoved up their nethers.

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                        • Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                          The problem here is that we lack clairvoyance. nobody else knows why you are fat. if you know why you are fat and you are not doing anything to control it then damn you to hell. if you dont know and you are searching then +1 to you and best of luck on the journey.

                          Honestly i think that anyone who is HWP and calls out any person that isn't HWP needs to get a broom shoved up their nethers.

                          WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? GOD. STFU - GTFO - Grow up.
                          I love you. Really, I do.
                          Durp.

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                          • Quelsen, you hit the nail on the head.
                            Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt.

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                            • ...errr please, what does HWP stand for?
                              I usually can get away with all the "bad words" even when contracted which speaks volumes about how mature I am


                              Luce


                              People does not obsess about weight and size if they are not constantly reminded how unfit and unsexy they are by every single add they see and magazine they look at, not to talk about shows on TV. That when I understand -from reading post around the forum- neither women or men are looking for those body figures as partners but prefer a vast variety of body figures and shapes. I know Keyra Knightly is far too thin but you know what? In some pictures she looks "fat".
                              No limits, only my will and the worlds I build.

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                              • HWP, healthy weight person



                                Oh, and Quelsen...

                                ALL the {{{hugs}}} for that one.
                                “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                                ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                                And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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