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  • #16
    If you want to discuss this from an evolutionary perspective, why not extend the discussion to other species (like birds) where it exists?

    There are many documented instances of homosexual animals, predominantly males if memory serves me correctly.
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    • #17
      The Kinsey scale is interesting to me. Kinsey scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      I know myself and many other women I've encountered have desired to have sex with other women without necessarily considering themselves bi/gay. I'd have sex with a woman and I think women are generally more appealing . However, I have no emotional feelings attached. Sexuality is weird.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
        If you want to discuss this from an evolutionary perspective, why not extend the discussion to other species (like birds) where it exists?

        There are many documented instances of homosexual animals, predominantly males if memory serves me correctly.
        Homosexual females are quite clearly represented in the animal kingdom as well.
        I have actually been meaning to get this book...
        Amazon.com: Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity (9780312192396): Bruce Bagemihl: Books

        The book description reads:

        Homosexuality in its myriad forms has been scientifically documented in more than 450 species of mammals, birds, reptiles, insects, and other animals worldwide. Biological Exuberance is the first comprehensive account of the subject, bringing together accurate, accessible, and nonsensationalized information. Drawing upon a rich body of zoological research spanning more than two centuries, Bruce Bagemihl shows that animals engage in all types of nonreproductive sexual behavior. Sexual and gender expression in the animal world displays exuberant variety, including same-sex courtship, pair-bonding, sex, and co-parenting—even instances of lifelong homosexual bonding in species that do not have lifelong heterosexual bonding.

        Part 1, "A Polysexual, Polygendered World," begins with a survey of homosexuality, transgender, and nonreproductive heterosexuality in animals and then delves into the broader implications of these findings, including a valuable perspective on human diversity. Bagemihl also examines the hidden assumptions behind the way biologists look at natural systems and suggests a fresh perspective based on the synthesis of contemporary scientific insights with traditional knowledge from indigenous cultures.

        Part 2, "A Wondrous Bestiary," profiles more than 190 species in which scientific observers have noted homosexual or transgender behavior. Each profile is a verbal and visual "snapshot" of one or more closely related bird or mammal species, containing all the documentation required to support the author's often controversial conclusions.

        Lavishly illustrated and meticulously researched, filled with fascinating facts and astonishing descriptions of animal behavior, Biological Exuberance is a landmark book that will change forever how we look at nature.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by GuineaPigQueen View Post
          The Kinsey scale is interesting to me. Kinsey scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          I know myself and many other women I've encountered have desired to have sex with other women without necessarily considering themselves bi/gay. I'd have sex with a woman and I think women are generally more appealing . However, I have no emotional feelings attached. Sexuality is weird.
          And there is a TEST for it...
          Kinsey Scale Test

          Incidentally, I scored a 3... "Equally heterosexual and homosexual".
          Fairly accurate I'd say.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by parrottrl View Post
            Honestly, I've always thought that they provided the glue that made ancient tribes work and communicate socially, acting as match-makers and peace-makers in early societies where heterosexuals were too locked into procreation and strict gender roles. The ability to sit by both firesides, if you get my meaning. Very useful people to have around, even if they weren't producing the usual litters than straight people of the time were producing.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
              And there is a TEST for it...
              Kinsey Scale Test

              Incidentally, I scored a 3... "Equally heterosexual and homosexual".
              Fairly accurate I'd say.
              "The test failed to match you to a Kinsey Type profile. Either you answered some questions wrong, or you are a very unusual person."

              YeeHaa ! I answered honestly ! Happy to embrace my unusualness....happy to share it as well...heehee.
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              • #22
                Kinsey test is hard! What if you have never turned your mind to some of the issues in there? I need to go take a quiet moment to think about the threesome question and do it again!

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                • #23
                  i scored a 3 as well

                  and i used to wonder if i was also attracted to women because of my high testosterone. but who knows

                  and my opinion, and it's only an opinion, i think homosexuality in all the animal species is just a manner of population control. nothing mystical, just mother nature being efficient

                  of course, man nosing in everything and being a general control freak messes it all up
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                    i scored a 3 as well
                    me too, I mean three. Speaking of three, threesomes are fun and all, but eventually the heart prefers, at least this one does, a bit of commitment and, well, human relationships are complicated enough without adding extra participants. That said, I often wonder if that urge to merge will disappear once family duties are out of the way. Mind you, husband is a very patient and understanding chap, I doubt many men or any woman would be willing to put up with me.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Picaro View Post
                      "The test failed to match you to a Kinsey Type profile. Either you answered some questions wrong, or you are a very unusual person."

                      YeeHaa ! I answered honestly ! Happy to embrace my unusualness....happy to share it as well...heehee.
                      Hooray Picaro!


                      I was thinking as I answered the questions that it was an awfully short test, and that the possible outcomes were a bit limited... but I think it gets in the general area of where you are on the scale anyway.
                      I personally see the scale as more of a 0-100 type of thing because there is way more variation than that short version allowed for IMO/IME.
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                      • #26
                        ...and then multiply the sexual variability with the gender spectrum....diversity makes the world go 'round
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Picaro View Post
                          "The test failed to match you to a Kinsey Type profile. Either you answered some questions wrong, or you are a very unusual person."

                          YeeHaa ! I answered honestly ! Happy to embrace my unusualness....happy to share it as well...heehee.
                          Me too!
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                            Hooray Picaro!


                            I was thinking as I answered the questions that it was an awfully short test, and that the possible outcomes were a bit limited... but I think it gets in the general area of where you are on the scale anyway.
                            I personally see the scale as more of a 0-100 type of thing because there is way more variation than that short version allowed for IMO/IME.
                            I have never felt sexual desire.
                            False.
                            I can not decide what sex I am attracted to more.
                            False.
                            I find the idea of having sex with another woman repulsive.
                            False.
                            I wouldn't want to die without having experimented sexually with both men and women.
                            False.
                            I have no interest in sexual intercourse with anyone.
                            False.
                            The gender composition of an orgy would be irrelevant to my decision to partiticipate.
                            True.
                            I avoid watching lesbian pornography.
                            False.
                            I can be sexually attracted to anyone in the right circumstances.
                            False.
                            I have always been extremely confident in my sexual orientation.
                            True.
                            I find women more attractive than men.
                            False.
                            I would find a threesome with a couple akward specifically because of the presence of the woman.
                            False.
                            I am only attracted to women.
                            False.
                            I am sexually submissive.
                            True.
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                            The test is definitely too short, IMO, to figure out some people as sexuality is way more fluid than it takes into account. It pegged me as unusual, which may well be the case if compared to averages, although I don't think I'm all that unusual. Above are my answers. I am exclusively attracted to men but I don't find the idea of having sex with another woman repulsive and if it were an orgy situation I wouldn't have an issue, might well enjoy sex with another woman but it's not something I would actively seek out. Is there such thing as Bi-indifferent?

                            As for the question about sexual submissiveness, not really sure what that's about unless it's from the very vanilla perspective of women being the submissive ones. And the question about being sexually attracted to anyone under the right circumstances, I may be defining 'anyone' more broadly.
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                            • #29
                              I think there are a few things at play, but love and attraction are very complex. I think sex is just one part of a dynamic of a relationship. I'm very hetero, lol as evidenced by the quiz. And I prefer men sexually, would not consider women. But I also like the company of men and prefer a man as a partner. Yes, obvious.... sex= me and a guy. But also, throughout my life- I could never get along with female roommates. I prefer working with men, etc.

                              I think though sometimes sexual preferences don't line up with your actual partner preference. But I don't think a preference on the mechanics of sex is the main driver.

                              There is a lot to relationships beyond mating and creating children. Like I don't want kids- I have no drive to make babies, yet I still have a strong sex drive and a strong desire to be with someone. I think companionship and security drive relationships as much as a desire to make babies. It makes sense that some women prefer the companionship and security of being with a woman; and some men, its men.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                                Homosexual females are quite clearly represented in the animal kingdom as well.
                                I have actually been meaning to get this book...
                                Amazon.com: Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity (9780312192396): Bruce Bagemihl: Books
                                Sounds like a great book! I'll see if I can get it from work (uni library).
                                I'd love to add my piece to this thread, being homoflexible and also having done massive research on human sexuality, but there is only so much time in the day.
                                Looks like people have a good grasp on the facts that sexuality is fluid and on a continuum, and that humans have observed similar flexibility in many species, which implies that it is both biological and beneficial.

                                I did notice some using the word preferred in terms of one's sex partner. Knock that off! It's tough enough dealing with ignant folks that think we're just sinful perverts choosing a lifestyle. No one prefers a life that comes with abuse, ostracism, death threats, etc. We're hard-wired the way we are, but it's hard for some folks to get that it's not just black/white gay/straight male/female.
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