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    I gradually eased into this new way of eating over the past few months and one thing I noticed is that I wake up with huge bags under my eyes. I have had this problem for a long time( years), waking up with puffy eyes, but I thought that cutting out bad foods would make them go away. It seems to have made it worse. Anyone else have this problem? any clues? I have been eating more bacon, but my overall sodium intake is way down ( I keep track of food) I try to drink plenty of fluids, at least 96oz, in the form of tea ( hot and iced) and water.

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    have you tried cutting out the bacon?

    are you 100% grain and crap-oils free?

    do you get enough good, solid sleep? i only got about 3 hours last night and i look like all-hell.
    As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

    Ernest Hemingway

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    • #3
      haven't tried cutting out bacon, but I figured since my sodium intake was below 1500mg a day, I didn't think it would matter. I think I will try that. yes, to being grain free. as far as crap oils, - when I cook at home I only use coconut or olive. My husband likes to go out to eat b'fast a few times a week and I usually have a taco omelet and I am unsure what they cook it in. and I do get plenty of sleep, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep for a few hours, trying to work on that one. last night I slept great and I still woke up with huge bags under my eyes.

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      • #4
        request for them to cook your eggs in butter, but there may be weird stuff in that taco meat.

        i'd cut the bacon and see what happens.
        As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

        Ernest Hemingway

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        • #5
          just read on another thread that nitrites cause some people to puff up real bad ................ bacon = nitrites.
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          • #6
            It may be unfortunate genetics. I've had the bags under my eyes since I was a toddler. Nothing makes them go away, but fortunately nothing makes them worse either.

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            • #7
              Sentwest, I didn't start getting these puffy eyes until about 5 years ago. It's not just bags under my eyes , my eyelids are puffy, as well.
              I cut out bacon, haven't had any since Thursday and still.... puffy eyes this morning.
              yesterday I ate Laura's lean ground beef, yam, cherries, some dark chocolate, almond butter and some macadamia nuts ( not my best day as far as eating vegies) and I still had puffy eyes this morning. according to my food tracker, I only had 878mg of sodium yesterday. my carbs were 109g... so I don't think it's that, especially since I've had puffy eyes since before I went to eating lower carb. I suppose it could be allergies to something like dust, cat hair, etc. but I've never had allergies before. I forgot to mention that I also have a slightly stuffy nose in the morning, either one nostril or the other ( depends on which side I am sleeping on) and this goes away after I've been up for a little while. so something is doing something to me while I sleep. I suppose I could have developed a certain allergy as I have aged, I'm 50, so maybe something that didn't bug me before is now bothering me, but why only when I sleep. I also sleep with my window open most of the year, so there is plenty of fresh air in my room and I don't live in the city, so not many pollutants. Maybe I am allergic to all of my fir trees, lol! or maybe it's just part of the WONDERFUL journey that is peri-menopause

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              • #8
                Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                have you tried cutting out the bacon?

                are you 100% grain and crap-oils free?

                do you get enough good, solid sleep? i only got about 3 hours last night and i look like all-hell.
                Why cut out bacon? I also have bags under my eyes even when I get 8 hours and am not tired
                well then

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                • #9
                  It might just take some time- the Chinese medicine view of bags under your eyes is because your liver isn't cleaning out toxins properly or because you simply have a lot of toxins to process. It can take months for your body to adjust and clean itself out.

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                  • #10
                    I heard that, somewhere, and also that fat carries a lot of toxins. Boy, do I have a lot fat to loose!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jfreaksho View Post
                      It might just take some time- the Chinese medicine view of bags under your eyes is because your liver isn't cleaning out toxins properly or because you simply have a lot of toxins to process.
                      +1
                      I also have some advice how to tackle the liver/toxins problem, at least there are many people who could solve similar or same issues, try for some weeks and please report back:

                      After 2pm do not eat:
                      - Any raw food (salads,fruits,raw veggies/meat), instead the best would be a vegetable soup.
                      - Any Nuts/Nut butters after pm your liver will thank you.
                      - same goes for fish for dinner if you have this issue.
                      - Any alcohol at night (glass of wine for lunch is ok - I am European)

                      Since the liver has to work hard to help you body detox and this process happens mainly over night while you sleep, it is crucial to give the liver as much leverage as possible.
                      Nuts challenge the liver.There is an old saying: Nuts in the morning are like gold and at night like poison. Raw food causes fermentation --> liver gets far more challenged than people would think. Fish in the body easily causes toxins when not digested quickly at night, which makes the liver work too much additionally.

                      Instead: For Dinner try to eat "light" i.e. lean and well cooked meat/fowl and/or cooked vegetables (eg Chicken breast soup, Vegetable soups (the best dinner option).

                      Ah and regarding the bacon: Yes, at night strip of the fat, just eat the lean parts. And go for organic bacon if possible.

                      Cheers Peter

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                      • #12
                        I read on the Wheat Belly site that low iodine can cause bags under the eyes and general puffiness. I think that's where I read it.

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                        • #13
                          thanks for the feed back!
                          Peter- I have a few questions: why the cut off time of 2pm?
                          as far as the fish, what if I am eating wild caught Alaska salmon? would that still produce toxins?
                          also I eat my evening meal fairly early, by 7pm..... and I don't fall asleep until about 10-11pm. would that have an affect on the load on my liver?

                          Tapper- I've seen the topics in this forum, about iodine, haven't really read through it all, any suggestions on how much I need?

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                          • #14
                            Seen a bunch of ideas on this.

                            Genetics let the muscles of the face slide down, revealing the underlying tissues (face fat) and surgery might be the only option.

                            Toxins, what toxins? Can anybody name a toxin?

                            To remove these mythical toxins, green tea is supposed to be good.

                            Sleep, yeah. It should help a ton! A vote for more sleep!

                            Also, constipation is strongly correlated. Maybe adding some leafy greens to keep things moving would help. I know once I get to more than two or three days without going, I get gray under my eyes. Not a problem lately, since I take magnesium now...

                            Maybe it's those constipation toxins.
                            Crohn's, doing SCD

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by maclynne View Post
                              thanks for the feed back!
                              Peter- I have a few questions: why the cut off time of 2pm?
                              as far as the fish, what if I am eating wild caught Alaska salmon? would that still produce toxins?
                              also I eat my evening meal fairly early, by 7pm..... and I don't fall asleep until about 10-11pm. would that have an affect on the load on my liver?

                              Tapper- I've seen the topics in this forum, about iodine, haven't really read through it all, any suggestions on how much I need?
                              2pm is my advice, because this is normally when people have finished lunch.
                              I would not eat raw stuff, salads, fruits as wells as fish after that. Some nuts in the afternoon maybe.

                              Cooked salmon is the only fish I also eat for dinner sometimes i.e. maybe once a week. However in your case I would have it for lunch instead.

                              I did not mean toxins in the food I meant at night digestion apparently does not happen as well as it does during the day (The chines call it Digestion Fire). So fish eg starts to rot already during digestion and the liver has to deal with that. Raw Food/Salad ferments and alcohol is produced and the liver has to deal with that. Nuts are too fatty. If one is young and healthy one does not feel it (at least until one is 30yrs old).
                              If one is already on detox and fat loss because of the switch to primal, this is what would make it too much.

                              If one eats fish, salads, raw veggies, fruits and nuts at night, it can cause difficult sleep, and one might experience tiredness in the morning, no hunger during breakfast time. Then suddenly at around 11.00-11.30am energy levels & hunger pick up. This is how long the organism has to deal with the mistakes made at dinner.

                              "Eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a beggar." I personally eat breakfast like a prince, lunch like a king and dinner like a beggar.
                              There is a Chines Proverb: "Leave eating dinner to your enemies"

                              Eating a light dinner at 7pm and sleeping at 10pm-11pm is totally fine.
                              Last edited by primalyogi; 08-06-2012, 01:56 PM.

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