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  • Was reading Taubs' "Why we get fat" this morning and found this

    A low carb doctor a decade ahead of Atkins charged with a crime for promoting a low carb diet, lol!!!!

    Herman Taller

    In 1961, Dr. Herman Taller, an obstetrician, published ''Calories Don't Count,'' which preached that one could banish fat while eating three full meals a day - provided that one ingested three ounces of polyunsaturated vegetable oil daily, along with a high-protein and low-carbohydrate diet. The Government denounced that diet as a ''worthless scheme foisted on a gullible public,'' and Dr. Taller was eventually convicted of fraud and conspiracy for using the book to peddle a particular brand of safflower capsules. Meanwhile, the book sold 2 million copies.

    Calories Don't Count

    I am wondering when Mark will be led off in chains for the horrendous sales he has promoted? Seriously, what a world!?!

    (Of course conventional doctors were happy Taller was arrested and convicted)
    Last edited by Moochy; 07-21-2012, 11:42 AM.
    Primal/Paleo is not for everyone, it's for those who have committed to understand.
    READ THE BOOK! ...as Robb Wolf says: "Trying to convince people to save their own ass will burn you out."

    Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for -- the pure enjoyment of food. Anthony Bourdain

    and yes, calories DO count my little piggies

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    Perhaps because calories do count?
    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

    Griff's cholesterol primer
    5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
    Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
    TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
    bloodorchid is always right

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    • #3
      I'm glad he was arrested and convicted too. Sounds like a total shyster.

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      • #4
        Vegetable and corn oil....ewww.

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        • #5
          Within a few years of the publication of that book was Dr Carlton Fredericks' book on low carb dieting which also sold millions. I have a copy somewhere which I picked up in a charity shop (surprising as it's the US edition). I haven't used it because the recipes use artificial sweeteners, stuff like that.

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          • #6
            Well, first of all Taubes is wrong and everyone from Robb Wolf to Stephan Guyenet has written detailed and insightful articles about it. Low carbing is useful for weight loss for many people but insulin is not the bad guy and the picture is a lot more complex than Taubes is willing to admit. Calories matter, so does diet quality. The details of why this guy was sued for fraud are beyond us, we don't really have the whole story and it was a long time ago so why get upset?
            If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tfarny View Post
              Low carbing is useful for weight loss for many people but insulin is not the bad guy and the picture is a lot more complex than Taubes is willing to admit. Calories matter, so does diet quality.
              I have to say, figuring that out was a huge wakeup call for me. While I still probably go lower than the average SAD guy on the street, when I go too low I'm a shrew and more prone to binging. If I focus on better quality food, making sure I get enough good fat and not worrying about the amount of (quality) carbs at all, that's when I'm at my best.
              Durp.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                Perhaps because calories do count?
                "Calories don't count calories, People count calories."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Moochy View Post
                  I am wondering when Mark will be led off in chains for the horrendous sales he has promoted?
                  Meh. Mark will just use his chains as a piece of impromptu workout equipment.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                    Well, first of all Taubes is wrong and everyone from Robb Wolf to Stephan Guyenet has written detailed and insightful articles about it. Low carbing is useful for weight loss for many people but insulin is not the bad guy and the picture is a lot more complex than Taubes is willing to admit. Calories matter, so does diet quality. The details of why this guy was sued for fraud are beyond us, we don't really have the whole story and it was a long time ago so why get upset?
                    Oh no, I was working on the assumpton Taubes got it right and insulin control was key and low carb is why Dhukan diet is so successful. I am so confused...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lambchop View Post
                      Oh no, I was working on the assumpton Taubes got it right and insulin control was key and low carb is why Dhukan diet is so successful. I am so confused...
                      Just follow the primal blueprint and figure it out for yourself. For some people, apparently, staying low carb is key for them. For others, not. I'm not saying low carbing isn't good for an overweight person, I'm saying that it is not the whole story. You'll be ok.
                      If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lambchop View Post
                        Oh no, I was working on the assumpton Taubes got it right and insulin control was key and low carb is why Dhukan diet is so successful. I am so confused...
                        It's relatively well known (in these circles anyway) that people spontaneously reduce their calorie consumption when eating a low carb diet, because they are eating protein and fats (which is what is left once you reduce carbs) which are more satiating.

                        When calories are strictly controlled there is NO difference in weight loss between people eating HFLC vs LFHC.

                        Still, I think that there are two big benefits to primal compared to a conventional calorie restricted diet:
                        1. You are eating tasty food you enjoy rather than tasteless low fat foods
                        2. You don't have feedmefeedmefeedme low blood sugar moments every three hours because you are fat adapted rather than running on glucose
                        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                        Griff's cholesterol primer
                        5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                        Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                        TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                        bloodorchid is always right

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                        • #13
                          Am I really the only person who's calories increased when I made the switch to eating more fat/protein? I went from the SAD of 1200-1400 cals per day and now eat 2200-2600 a day!!! And yes I have lost all of my weight and I am active and healthy. What helped me the most was switching to all grass-fed, wild, natural meats and raw dairy!! Once I had completely switched over everything fell into place. I don't count often but every once in a while run a few days just to see and am always amazed at how high my calories are now compared to the days of constant dieting and restricting.

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                          • #14
                            What Taubes got right is that all of the correlative, epidemiological diet studies kept barking up the wrong trees with reallypoor study designs.

                            What he got wrong is over simplifyinging the issue to carbs/insulin. His writings would be more valuable if he did an auto-replace to change every instance of "insulin" to "a suite of interacting metabolic hormones"

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                            • #15
                              Taubes deals with Guynet adequately here:

                              Catching up on lost time

                              But this piece rises to the level of comedy:

                              Hyperlipid: The Flatline Days

                              The fact of the matter is low carb diets do work. That was demonstrated by controlled experiments at the Middlesex Hospital over half a century ago now. However, an astonishingly large number fo people simply cannot cope with the fact and don't want to let go of their false but comfortable paradigm.

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