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  • What's the deal with Raw Food SOS and Denise Minger and Primal?

    I'm the first to admit that I enjoy her debunkings of all the bogus studies that come down on red meat/paleo/primal/low carb/etc. However, I don't understand how she can eat what she eats and still thrive while doing the debunkings all at the same time lol.

    I mean she is essentially a raw vegetarian foodist with some shellfish thrown in once or twice a week yet she says it's the best thing that ever happened to her. Is it different strokes for different folks? Will her health suffer in the end like many others? I would think she would have crazy blood sugar problems if the majority of her diet consists of fruit and veggies right?

    It's just blowing my mind right now. I have to admit some days I just don't feel like all the meat/fat I'm supposed to eat, but I think that's probably the current pregnancy hormones talking. I'm still curious about Denise, though.

  • #2
    She eats a complete whole foods low glycemic index diet. She said she felt horrible on grains and horrible on a low carb and meat heavy diet. Btw. If you have days where you don't feel like eating meat and fat then don't eat them. There's nothing worse than force feeding yourself and going against what your body is telling you it wants.

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    • #3
      She eats healthy natural foods that give her energy and make her feel good and she sounds like she knows what she's doing so I doubt she's going to let her health suffer just so she can maintain a mostly vegetarian diet. Also I agree with Forgotmylastusername that you shouldn't force yourself to eat meat and fat if you don't want them. I eat meat less than once a week. There isn't any rule that you have to eat lots of meat to be primal/paleo.

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      • #4
        There can be a lot of variety in what works for some people and doesn't for others. Her consistency with a primal eating approach is that grains and bad fats (and processed foods in general) don't fly, period, and I think that is true for *almost everyone* if they would give it a try. The #1 thing I take from this way of eating is that you have to learn to listen to what your body needs. Not hungry? Don't eat. Craving a steak? Get thee a steak! She seems pretty on top of that for herself and just happens to differ from what most people around here claim to eat.
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        • #5
          My Current Diet « Raw Food SOS

          She eats a bunch of raw fruits and vegetables, and animal products several times a week. Seafood, raw eggs, and occasional organ meats. Seafood and eggs are a major constituent of her diet--and that's great. Those are really nutrient-dense foods. Muscle meat isn't really all that awesome nutritionally (although it sure does taste good!) and you're not going to be deficient in anything if you skip it most of the time in favor of whole-animal foods and offal. She's also doing bone broth regularly which is a great source of minerals and fat-soluble vitamins. There's no shortage of animal food in her diet and what she does eat seems to be the nutritional cream of the crop to the exclusion of the less-worthwhile stuff. I think she's got it figured out, personally, and she looks gorgeous, so I have an easy time believing it works for her.
          Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

          My Primal Journal

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          • #6
            her diet sounds primal to me.

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            • #7
              Well I guess what I have issue with is that she says that raw fruits compose the majority of her diet and the seafood is "a couple of times per week". I would completely agree that she had it nailed down if she didn't put the qualifications of that in the post.

              Here it is:

              "Basically, I eat a sort of raw food, plant-based, paleo-ish, Weston-A-Price style fusion. The stuff I eat the most of (from the biggest proportion of my diet to the smallest):

              raw fruit
              raw vegetables
              seafood (oysters, mussels, clams, salmon, or tuna; the fish typically raw), a few times per week"

              See where I'm getting confused? Also, what about her iron? Can you get enough iron from seafood a few times per week? I eat meat every single day, and I'm anemic! This is from an 80% primal pregnant lady lol....I shouldn't be anemic....how in the world is she not?

              And what about all this fat we're supposed to be eating? She eats hardly none based on her list....a little coconut and a few eggs. Isn't she eating High Carb Low Fat...aka...the enemy of Primal?

              I agree she is very pretty and healthy looking, but I'm wondering if it's just cause she is 25 and still young and might develop problems later on or if we have it wrong to a certain degree...like maybe less fat more raw foods but not in huge portions.

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              • #8
                is her diet high fat and low carb? no. but she's not a sisson acolyte, and the paleo tent is a broad one. some of us hew closer to a macro-agnostic template, a la kurt harris. still paleo, just not explicity high fat low carb. we can burn carbs for energy, you know...

                her diet would not be to my liking, i prefer starch to fruit for fuel, and maybe it wouldn't work for you, with the anemia. but it's a wide, wide world.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Goldensparrow View Post
                  Well I guess what I have issue with is that she says that raw fruits compose the majority of her diet and the seafood is "a couple of times per week". I would completely agree that she had it nailed down if she didn't put the qualifications of that in the post.

                  Here it is:

                  "Basically, I eat a sort of raw food, plant-based, paleo-ish, Weston-A-Price style fusion. The stuff I eat the most of (from the biggest proportion of my diet to the smallest):

                  raw fruit
                  raw vegetables
                  seafood (oysters, mussels, clams, salmon, or tuna; the fish typically raw), a few times per week"

                  See where I'm getting confused? Also, what about her iron? Can you get enough iron from seafood a few times per week? I eat meat every single day, and I'm anemic! This is from an 80% primal pregnant lady lol....I shouldn't be anemic....how in the world is she not?
                  Lots of seafood has iron in it, as do some vegetables. There are also a whole bunch of causes of anemia besides low iron intake. You may have some other issue that is preventing you from absorbing enough of it.

                  Originally posted by Goldensparrow View Post
                  And what about all this fat we're supposed to be eating? She eats hardly none based on her list....a little coconut and a few eggs. Isn't she eating High Carb Low Fat...aka...the enemy of Primal?
                  Well, I personally disagree with the blanket high-fat low-carb prescription for everyone. A healthy person can assimilate carbohydrate as a primary energy source no problem.

                  And since when are seafood, eggs and broth low in fat? Tuna and salmon are quite fatty fish. There is SFA, MUFA and PUFA in eggs and broth, as well as coconut, which she eats. A healthy body will also create plenty of saturated fat from dietary carbohydrate via de novo lipogenesis, and the colon bacteria will produce butyric acid (a short chain saturated fat) from fiber and resistant starch. There's no shortage here.

                  Originally posted by Goldensparrow View Post
                  I agree she is very pretty and healthy looking, but I'm wondering if it's just cause she is 25 and still young and might develop problems later on or if we have it wrong to a certain degree...like maybe less fat more raw foods but not in huge portions.
                  I think there is a very broad range of possible healthy diets for most people and obsession over a certain macronutrient class is counterproductive to health. Eating high-fat is legitimate if you feel good on it, and so is high-carb. Fish and fruit is real, quality food just like steak and green beans.
                  Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

                  My Primal Journal

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                  • #10
                    She couldn't possibly be healthy. She doesn't eat bacon.

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                    • #11
                      I wonder, to what proportion she eats fruits to vegetables? I wouldn't even think it possible to subsist on too many fruits.

                      As for being high-carb... maybe, from all the fruit, but perhaps she snacks frequently on small proportions? She might be eating less fruit than she or us think. And, of course, vegetables don't necessitate carbs. If she's taking in enough cruciferous vegetables, she should be getting plenty of iron and other nutrients. Who knows where she gets her fats from, but perhaps she's not fat-adapted?

                      Either way, what she does works for her, and is paleo, and she helps defend the community, so let's not go attacking her for not eating bacon and counting carbs.

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                      • #12
                        From what I understand, she eats really clean and adheres pretty much 100% to the diet she describes on her website.

                        Even if you don't think the higher carbohydrate way she eats is optimal, (see Kitavans), the fact that it's so clean probably makes up for a lot.

                        Also, she's super hot, especially with all her fancy science-talk.
                        The Champagne of Beards

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Figlio di Moros View Post
                          I wonder, to what proportion she eats fruits to vegetables? I wouldn't even think it possible to subsist on too many fruits.

                          As for being high-carb... maybe, from all the fruit, but perhaps she snacks frequently on small proportions? She might be eating less fruit than she or us think. And, of course, vegetables don't necessitate carbs. If she's taking in enough cruciferous vegetables, she should be getting plenty of iron and other nutrients. Who knows where she gets her fats from, but perhaps she's not fat-adapted?

                          Either way, what she does works for her, and is paleo, and she helps defend the community, so let's not go attacking her for not eating bacon and counting carbs.

                          I agree that I'm also curious about how much fruit she eats. She doesn't snack I don't think...three squares....based on her raw food dental post. She says that your teeth don't have time to rebuild enamel if you are snacking all day, so she's not a grazer.

                          I wasn't attacking her by any means...just curious...and I think the bacon guy was being sarcastic cause of all the bacon love on this forum lol.

                          I just know that if I ate a lot of fruit like a whole cantaloupe for breakfast then banana with lunch, etc. etc. my blood sugar would go nutso. My guess is that she doesn't eat a lot of anything, though. Moderate portions. But I still wonder what she's eating those days she doesn't eat the eggs or seafood...it would have to be a lot of fruit and veggies, right?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Goldensparrow View Post
                            Well I guess what I have issue with is that she says that raw fruits compose the majority of her diet and the seafood is "a couple of times per week". I would completely agree that she had it nailed down if she didn't put the qualifications of that in the post.

                            Here it is:

                            "Basically, I eat a sort of raw food, plant-based, paleo-ish, Weston-A-Price style fusion. The stuff I eat the most of (from the biggest proportion of my diet to the smallest):

                            raw fruit
                            raw vegetables
                            seafood (oysters, mussels, clams, salmon, or tuna; the fish typically raw), a few times per week"

                            See where I'm getting confused? Also, what about her iron? Can you get enough iron from seafood a few times per week? I eat meat every single day, and I'm anemic! This is from an 80% primal pregnant lady lol....I shouldn't be anemic....how in the world is she not?

                            And what about all this fat we're supposed to be eating? She eats hardly none based on her list....a little coconut and a few eggs. Isn't she eating High Carb Low Fat...aka...the enemy of Primal?

                            I agree she is very pretty and healthy looking, but I'm wondering if it's just cause she is 25 and still young and might develop problems later on or if we have it wrong to a certain degree...like maybe less fat more raw foods but not in huge portions.
                            The easiest answer to the iron question is right there... she eats seafood, bivalves in particular, "a few times per week". These oysters mussels and clams (emphasis on the clams) are second only to liver(depending on the type of liver (duck, pork, and chicken liver are highest) in providing heme-iron, and FAR outrank any muscle meats for providing iron in the diet.
                            Top 10 Foods Highest in Iron

                            I personally had trouble with anemia for years before fixing it by adding at least one portion of liver (pork or chicken, duck when I can get it) and clams (red chowder is delicious IMO) to my diet each week.
                            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                            • #15
                              i might need to find a clam chowder recipe.

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