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  • #31
    Yeah a standard weekly cheat day where you're looking forward to all week is not a good idea. However I think it's actually worse for the mind than for the body. You'll be dieting for the rest of your life and hate 6 days out of 7
    I used to find it really hard to stick to primal because I thought I couldn't have carbs, so I wanted to cheat all the time but I now allow myself to eat carbs if they're from healthy sources and I actually have no desire to eat anything non-primal anymore.


    That's why I kind of hate to see advice that tells people to eliminate/limit any kind of primal food from their diet. Unless you have a physical issue with some of those foods- fruit, sweet potatoes etc. why avoid them? If you make it too strict, its going to be hard to stay the course for very long.

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    • #32
      Did strict primal, then less strict, then a bit less... you see where I'm going. I have Celiac's disease, so that stopped me from going down that path too far. Do I indulge on occasion? Yes. Homemade ice cream (my own), dark, sea salt chocolate, the occasional GF dessert from a really great restaurant.

      What bothers me moreso than "cheating" as a term, is the value we've placed on food as a social connection. It's intent, first and foremost, is to nourish the body. Now, let me not kid you, I am a damn fine cook, and I make really yummy meals. But if I go to a friend's house and they are serving up nachos, chips, and other unhealthy bits, I'm steering clear. Why does it matter if I don't eat it, or I bring my own food? I'm not saying it is wrong to indulge -- don't misunderstand me. But it saddens me that choosing to eat better food and not eat crap has become the equal to feeling like a social miscreant.

      Perhaps this topic is simply one that is bothering me more today, but that is what I think of when I read this question.
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      • #33
        I tighten my cilice.
        If I just said LOL, I lied. Do or do not. There is no try.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ciavyn View Post
          Did strict primal, then less strict, then a bit less... you see where I'm going. I have Celiac's disease, so that stopped me from going down that path too far. Do I indulge on occasion? Yes. Homemade ice cream (my own), dark, sea salt chocolate, the occasional GF dessert from a really great restaurant.

          What bothers me moreso than "cheating" as a term, is the value we've placed on food as a social connection. It's intent, first and foremost, is to nourish the body. Now, let me not kid you, I am a damn fine cook, and I make really yummy meals. But if I go to a friend's house and they are serving up nachos, chips, and other unhealthy bits, I'm steering clear. Why does it matter if I don't eat it, or I bring my own food? I'm not saying it is wrong to indulge -- don't misunderstand me. But it saddens me that choosing to eat better food and not eat crap has become the equal to feeling like a social miscreant.

          Perhaps this topic is simply one that is bothering me more today, but that is what I think of when I read this question.
          Ugh, yeah. I hate that food is such a social symbol. I don't eat cookies? I'm automatically anorexic. I'm at family with my parents an cake is being served? Everybody is looking straight at me to see if I will have cake.
          well then

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          • #35
            But it saddens me that choosing to eat better food and not eat crap has become the equal to feeling like a social miscreant.
            The weird thing is around women. Men eat crap because its there and it tastes good. But women..... "OMG I can't eat this....it's sinful". So you have crap and everyone freaking out about how bad it is strips the enjoyment, then you are damned if you DON'T eat the chocolate brownie fudge ice cream explosion that everyone is just sitting there going on about how bad it is.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by ciavyn View Post
              What bothers me moreso than "cheating" as a term, is the value we've placed on food as a social connection. It's intent, first and foremost, is to nourish the body.
              Food is a big part of human cultural evolution. Hunting and gathering was done in groups, as was preparation, rules and taboos were assigned to the distribution and consumption of and it was a foundation for much bonding and relationships, so that aspect won't change. Humans are (mostly) social creatures and the act of sharing food is deeply ingrained. What has changed is the nature of what we call food. We get that, most people don't. I'm fortunate that my family/friends don't press the issue and do their best to accommodate me even the most of the time I'm fine just abstaining. They also get that the wrong food will make me sick, which I understand still isn't enough to get some people to back off, unfortunately.
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              • #37
                I eat primal food most of the time and non-primal food sometimes. I never use the words cheat, indulgence, or treat - they are all loaded with connotation.

                The only place I struggle with this is with the crappy oils. They cause inflammation for me, so I don't really like to have them. But it is impossible to eat out without getting hit with them. So if I am lazy and want to grab some roasted chicken and a little rice or steamed veggie on the whole foods hot bar, I debate a little bit about whether the oils are going to cause me an issue.

                When I'm out to a nice dinner or at a friends house for dinner - I don't even think about it. I get what I want - which is almost always at least primal-ish and enjoy without a single negative thought.
                Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

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                • #38
                  for me, there's no such thing as "cheats."

                  As Mark describes it all for himself, if he wants a cinnabon with his kids, he has one. It's not a cheat, it's a "whatever" and an enjoyable experience of food with family. I assume mark doesn't have any specialized issues that would make this a problem. It's also probably one of those "once in a blue moon" things.

                  It's the same for me. It was my birthday yesterday. I had cake. In 6 weeks, it will be my son's birthday. 8 weeks ago, it was my husband's birthday. I probably have cake about 6 times a year at this rate. I figure that a bi-monthly piece of cake doesn't qualify as a "cheat." It qualifies as a part of my life that i'm happy with.

                  That being said, day-to-day, I'm basically "relaxed paleo" -- so it's really no worry.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by justyouraveragecavemen View Post
                    I tighten my cilice.
                    Perfect.
                    “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                    ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                    And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                    • #40
                      Getting drunk off hydrogenated soybean oil and snorting gluten off the breasts of prostitutes.
                      Seriously. I don't "cheat". I do deviate from my staples of meat, eggs, potatoes and fruit, sometimes even for a week or so. But they always remain my staples because that's what I like to eat, shop for and feel best on. I eat muesli, dark chocolate several times a week and drink alcohol maybe every second weekend. I have scones and coffee at a cafe sometimes and usually eat what I like when I eat out. I probably have a bit more leniancy because I havn't got any weight to lose.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by brahnamin View Post
                        It's not easy by any means, but one thing that worked for me (and please keep in mind I've been a cook for better than 2 decades, both by profession and at home) but a few years back I adopted what I call *Single Ingredient Shopping*

                        It's pretty much as simple as it sounds, if it has more than one ingredient, it doesn't go in the cart.
                        I have been doing this for a while, as well. You and I, and sbhikes, blackcatbone, and some others, know it pretty much doesn't work any other way. It is just that sometimes, I would like to take off to the girlfriend's for the night, or just let hubby do the cooking, or be sick, or whatever, and have no mommy-type worries or cooking responsibilities. I always have the constant cooking thing, or shopping thing, or planning ahead thing, or cooking ahead thing...

                        I cook gladly, and I am good at it, and pretty much everything food-related gets me juiced, but damn, sometimes the eternal vigilance thing gets on my nerves. The regular grocery stores are hell, we know it, and do about 1% of our shopping there. The rest is everything from two different health food stores to farm stands we know to Wegman's (higher end stuff) to Earth Fare to the oriental grocery, and so on.

                        Every once in a while I get amnesia and go through the regular grocery store and try to shop. Doesn't take long before I get my memory back... and ticked, in the process, like that Eckrich kielbasa and whey thing.

                        Thanks for the kielbasa tip, blackcatbone - Whole Foods is all the way up in Cleveland, but maybe I can get my local health food store to carry it.
                        I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                          Getting drunk off hydrogenated soybean oil and snorting gluten off the breasts of prostitutes.
                          Seriously. I don't "cheat". I do deviate from my staples of meat, eggs, potatoes and fruit, sometimes even for a week or so. But they always remain my staples because that's what I like to eat, shop for and feel best on. I eat muesli, dark chocolate several times a week and drink alcohol maybe every second weekend. I have scones and coffee at a cafe sometimes and usually eat what I like when I eat out. I probably have a bit more leniancy because I havn't got any weight to lose.


                          And, if that's you in your avatar, you are still a youngun too. It's harder for bodies with more mileage on them to get away with going off plan. (Like classic cars only run well on the high octane stuff.) I don't think any one pizza is a problem but I do think there is a cumulative effect over the years.

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                          • #43
                            like this:

                            “The whole concept of a macronutrient, like that of a calorie, is determining our language game in such a way that the conversation is not making sense." - Dr. Kurt Harris

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
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                              And, if that's you in your avatar, you are still a youngun too. It's harder for bodies with more mileage on them to get away with going off plan. (Like classic cars only run well on the high octane stuff.) I don't think any one pizza is a problem but I do think there is a cumulative effect over the years.
                              Well I have been pretty overweight and I can gain fat pretty easily. I just stay diligent and shed any weight I gain quickly before it gets out of hand. Lean gains style helps a lot and the odd 24 hour fast makes things a lot easier. When I do go off plan I don't usually binge and I still keep calories in check.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Crabbcakes View Post
                                I cook gladly, and I am good at it, and pretty much everything food-related gets me juiced, but damn, sometimes the eternal vigilance thing gets on my nerves.
                                I get what you're saying. I do all the cooking and shopping in my house as well, but if I get sick or am not at home my wife and kids can manage without me for a few days. Having to juggle the specific food requirements you do can't be easy.

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