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  • #61
    Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
    Why can't someone just have a good old complaint and have other people commiserate WITHOUT people coming in and being a jerk about hidden agendas? Everybody's gotta have the last word.
    +1. IMHO, The age-old art of satire has been turned into a crime due to political correctness. As the OP stated, it's only about curiosity and amusement or stating the obvious and looking for deeper understanding from all the replies.

    I always wonder how long Mark Twain and Oscar Wilde, if they were alive today, would last on many forums on the internet before a moderator kicked them out or put them on probation? I'm positive though that Winston Churchill's life span would be less than a half hour.
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    • #62
      My issue is not with how people eat or not eat. My issue is with someone trying to say something and basically being told to shut up and that they're wrong. This thread was started as the OP stating their preference, not trying to stop anyone from doing anything, and then a bunch of people came in and told him it's wrong for him to disagree or feel the way he feels.

      So that is why people suck. Or how I see it, anyway.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Bioletti View Post
        I always wonder how long Mark Twain and Oscar Wilde, if they were alive today, would last on many forums on the internet before a moderator kicked them out or put them on probation? I'm positive though that Winston Churchill's life span would be less than a half hour.
        Please make a mockumentary about this. Please.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
          I don't mind the paleo foods... but I am SICK of that iodine thread!!! Will it never end?! How long can they talk about a mineral FOR?!!
          Well they had to talk about something after Jack (finally) dragged the Leptin thread over to his own forum.

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          • #65
            I forgot about the Leptin reset thread! I ignored it so much, I didn't even notice it was gone.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by Bioletti View Post
              I always wonder how long Mark Twain and Oscar Wilde, if they were alive today, would last on many forums on the internet before a moderator kicked them out or put them on probation? I'm positive though that Winston Churchill's life span would be less than a half hour.
              I humbly second the motion that this be made into a mockumentary.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by brahnamin View Post
                *shrUg*

                If you say so. Me, I have kinda always viewed the Odds & Ends folder as a bit tongue-in-cheek from the start and that's how I take the bulk of the threads I read here - including my own. My starting point with this thread wasn't intended to be condescending so much as a question posed in mildly amused confusion.

                I really don't get why people jump into something like primal or paleo and then try to force fit it into something that looks closer to what they grew up on. That's just me. At that point what's the point in wearing the label in the first place? But as has been said, to each their own, I can have that viewpoint without being condescending to those who do not even if you can't hear that viewpoint without assuming condescention.

                I can also be weary as hell of seeing things like paleobread derail potential newcomers to this lifestyle.

                As I can view it as a total wtf? in general, because for me the beauty of the Primal BP was always its simplicity and yeah, I kinda do find it silly when people choose to complicate things needlessly. And I leave them to it. And come over here to see if anyone else is of a similar opinion to my own or if maybe I *am* just playing the part of the vinegar based vaginal cleanser.

                *shrUg*

                If you find that condescending, fine.
                I don't have a problem with questioning the value of paleo fake food, it's legitimate up to the point it turns into "faileo people suck." Most people who stick with paleo will eventually give them up or see them as very rare treats. But for someone newly transitioning, especially if they come from a completely SAD diet the thought of "OMG, No bread ever again!" can be pretty scary. Some people are fine jumping head first into something and others are better suited taking baby steps or need weaning. And some people are so limited, even with paleo-approved foods, that the occasional fake food keeps them sane.
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                • #68
                  I get frustrated when loose paleo eaters say lighten up and eat a cupcake and get frustrated at how close minded the rest of us are. But because of their closed mind, they overlook the fact that some people have allergies and intolerances and CAN'T eat anything that deviates from the protocal. They slap at it as being your religion if you follow it to a T. What they don't get is that some of us will burn in paleo hell if we "sin." ie digestion issues, autoimmune, and so on.
                  Don't let anybody tell you, "You can't" just because they can't.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                    I forgot about the Leptin reset thread! I ignored it so much, I didn't even notice it was gone.
                    Yeaaah. I participated a bit too much in that thread, at first because it tweaked my interest but after awhile just because Jack kept coming across as complete twat. At one point I flat out went jacksh!t all over Jack's sh!t (epic appeal to the goddess Formosa). Not terribly proud of that moment, though I found out sometime later that I had actually suffered a TIA (mini-stroke) that morning that was probably responsible for most of my frothing at the mouth, but 9 months later and firmly in my right mind I still think he's more self-involved sh!t than useful human being, so I've never bothered to tender an apology.
                    Last edited by brahnamin; 07-10-2012, 11:11 AM. Reason: because jack isn't spelled with a g

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                    • #70
                      not trying to stop anyone from doing anything
                      Yeah, I guess, but I'd hate to see people being discouraged from sharing their ideas. You know, the silly cauliflower mash stuff helped me stick to primal last winter. I rarely look at the recipes, but it seems like a lot of people get really excited about new ideas. Sometimes its just a way to think creatively about your food. I'm always looking for new sides, so I shredded zucchini. Now I want to add pesto to it. I didn't want to "replace pasta", I just wanted a new way of making zucchini so I didn't fall back on non primal sides I used to enjoy like grits.

                      I think a big thing about primal is that its meant to be for life, and if you enjoy being creative in the kitchen, a lifetime of steak and veggies can seem pretty dull. I'd hate to see people stop sharing that creativity just because some people just don't care or value it. It certainly is easy to enjoy the PB as a simple diet. But some people enjoy messing around in the kitchen and if making paleo bread is their thing, so be it.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                        Yeah, I guess, but I'd hate to see people being discouraged from sharing their ideas.

                        I'd hate to see people stop sharing that creativity just because some people just don't care or value it. It certainly is easy to enjoy the PB as a simple diet. But some people enjoy messing around in the kitchen and if making paleo bread is their thing, so be it.
                        People can make their own decisions. No one should have to silence themselves for fear of offense. It's up to the rest of us to be big kids and deal with it on our own (when encountering an potentially offensive idea). It's not the OP's fault if people have a rough time adjusting to a PB lifestyle (hell, I did). Again, the OP did not say people should not bake things with primaleo ingredients, he just doesn't do it himself and thinks it's silly. You seem to be taking it personally.
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                        • #72
                          I guess I just don't see the need to randomly voice that. It's like saying "I don't wear vibrams- they look goofy"? Why do people even care? Yeah, If I post, why can't I lose weight -" I eat coconut pancakes, then have almond muffins and a sandwich with paleo bread" - of course, then say something.

                          I do take it a little personally because I enjoy cooking and making up new creative things. No one likes to be told what they enjoy doing is silly, pointless or damaging to something they care about.

                          And I hate smugness.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Bioletti View Post
                            +1. IMHO, The age-old art of satire has been turned into a crime due to political correctness. As the OP stated, it's only about curiosity and amusement or stating the obvious and looking for deeper understanding from all the replies.

                            I always wonder how long Mark Twain and Oscar Wilde, if they were alive today, would last on many forums on the internet before a moderator kicked them out or put them on probation? I'm positive though that Winston Churchill's life span would be less than a half hour.
                            The problem isn't that satire is being turned into a crime, it's that it's not satire. It's more on the level of shit flinging monkeys. Twain and Wilde wouldn't last on the average forum, not because they'd be kicked out but because they'd be disgusted at the level of discourse.
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                            • #74
                              I think the point is that there is now a market for said Paleo-frankenfoods. I saw an ad on Facebook yesterday for Paleobread - an actual loaf of bread called Paleobread. For me, not touching it. For someone else? Sure go for it. Whatever floats your boat.

                              But, then again, I'm also one of those 100%ers as I'm fond of the whole30 and how it makes me feel and tend to also push 100% on people who are having trouble (IRL, not here).

                              I do think it's ridiculous that someone makes a comment or asks an opinion and it gets turned into an angry mob against the original poster. We're supposed to be a supportive community. This wouldn't hold up in a "real tribe"... those negative, mean spirited people would likely be left behind when the tribe migrated north for the summer...

                              Just like our moms used to tell us... if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
                              Primal since March 5, 2012
                              SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                                I guess I just don't see the need to randomly voice that. It's like saying "I don't wear vibrams- they look goofy"?
                                Speaking as the OP in this particular instance. I don't consider this post random so much as *stand alone* - because instead of jumping in and derailing the paleobread thread with my question where I most certainly would have discouraged some people who might need something like that as a transitional product to fully get into paleo, I came over to the Odds & Ends board and asked my question in a neutral setting where no one was already automatically invested in that topic.

                                I almost regret using the paleobaking and cauliflower thing as a segue into the frankenbread product because that ended up being what half the posters latched onto.

                                For the record I do not care what other people eat. No reason I would. Doesn't affect my way of eating or weightloss or anything of the kind. I also specifically stated in my opening post that I am kind of an all or nothing sort and that that was one of the reasons things like this get under my skin (first post, first sentence, fourth paragraph). And I built the post around my own issues, not around the issues of people who eat differently than me. I was put off by the whole paleobread thing and put that out there to see how other people felt. For the most part no one had an opinion about paleobread itself. But apparently I wasn't alone in having issues with the trend in general.

                                And I'll state flat out, I was not out of place to make this post. I was not out of place keeping this content *out* of the paleobread post on the other board. If nothing else. Open Forum. I've been a member for over three years and a contributing member at that. I won't say I've never been a douchebag round these parts but I'm no class of troll either. And for this board in particular, this thread was hardly out of place.

                                Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                                I do take it a little personally because I enjoy cooking and making up new creative things. No one likes to be told what they enjoy doing is silly, pointless or damaging to something they care about.
                                *shrUg*

                                I can't help you with that. For most people it's simply too much energy to care about the random opinions of strangers. Hell there are hordes of people (some of whom I actually care about) who swear I'm eating myself to an artery clogging cholesterol choked doom with a hefty side of obstructed bowels because I surely don't consume enough whole wheat to fiber everything through my colon.

                                But I don't have time to care about all that.

                                I care about what works.

                                Not what people *say* paleo should be, but what I've tried and seen actually work for me. I actually eat tons of fruit since discovering that it interferes with neither my fasting blood sugars nor my weight loss. I don't think white potatoes are the devil's turds, and I even have a scoop of chocolate ice cream about once a month (the good stuff) just because I want to, and I don't mind putting a family social situation ahead of my diet from time to time. So long as it is a choice rather than done out of habit it works for me. Other than that I eat lots of dripping critter flesh and a boatload of my favorite veggies.

                                I do what works for me and keep it as simple as possible because that also works for me. And despite what you think of this post I mostly do live and let live when it comes to what other people eat (unless they're telling me directly what *I* should be eating) because what *they* eat really doesn't matter. I don't jump into their recipe threads and get in their faces. If I feel the urge to discuss - like I did today - I generally end up here, either starting a thread or fitting into an applicable discussion already in progress.

                                In any case, sometimes a kvetch is just a kvetch.

                                I didn't come in here with the intent of f*cking with anybody.

                                And for the record. Vibrams rock. They do look goofy, but they rock and I wear mine daily - even to work (a rare blessing that I greatly appreciate).
                                Last edited by brahnamin; 07-10-2012, 12:34 PM. Reason: grammar correction - no content change

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