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    Hello, I'm James. like most of you I have had the pleasure of stumbling up on this website full of extremely useful information about human life and health and fitness etc... But I have a rather irritating and sometimes embarrassing dilemma. By my own admissions I am one of the most dedicated human beings on this planet when it comes to maintaining a healthy diet and fitness regime. There is only one real problem, I can hardly eat anything. I am so looking forward to a life of great health and vitality but there are just so many foods I can not eat. It's so irritating for me, I'm a mature adult with the food palette of a child. I've never actually had a problem in the past because I just didn't care and ate what I wanted. But things have changed and I have turned my life around and am trying my best to pursue a healthy lifestyle but cant go through with it all while my options are so limited. I have subscribed to this great tool and am very impressed and have the means to create a fantastic diet for myself but I just can't eat anything. Don't get me wrong I have tried a few vegetables in the past but would just wretch them back out. I really do try my best to stay off my old diet because I view it as juvenile and do not want to go back to being overweight. It's not nice when all the foods you need to eat are just rejected by your brain,i'm so sick of it getting in the way of progress! If anyone out there can give me advice on how to introduce new food to my brain or anything like that then please give me a buzz. Thanks.

    P.s. Sorry if this is post is a bit long winded but just had to get it out there!

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    Wrap it in bacon, problem solved.
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    • #3
      What foods do you like?

      What are your goals in going primal?

      Have you tried supplementing zinc?
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      • #4
        How are you cooking them? If your frame of reference is soggy, overcooked veg then it's understandable. Try roasting which makes many veg taste very un-veglike. Toss in olive oil, sprinkle on garlic then when done toss in parmesan cheese. Chop up and saute Brussels sprouts in bacon grease, add onions and bacon, toss with a little fresh grated parmesan cheese (it makes everything delicious). Can you get spaghetti squash there? Eat it instead of spaghetti. Add very finely chopped veg to the sauce. It will likely take a while. Try one new thing at a time and eat just a little. Then a little more.
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        • #5
          I don't know what your aversions are, but if you're overweight you will likely want to do a lower-carb version of PB. And if you cut out the grains & sugar, eat plenty of good fats and sufficient protein, and fully adapt to fat-burning (whether you're in ketosis or not) you may find that your palate changes significantly. Mine certainly did--for instance, I noticed that certain vegetables were sweeter and had subtle flavors I hadn't previously noticed.

          I strongly second blackcatbone on preparation tips: the steamed, fat-free veggies CW diets inflict on us are a pale imitation of their roasted, oil- or butter-drenched counterparts. Cauliflower is amazing roasted with olive oil & cumin; it tastes almost nothing like the raw or boiled versions. Broccoli, Brussels sprouts, same thing. Bacon grease, butter, olive oil, home-made Hollandaise, melted cheese...it's all good!
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          • #6
            I agree with the above posters - it's all in the prep. I know the UK way of cooking veggies is to boil them, then boil them some more, then boil them for a bit, then boil them some more, chuck out the water where any nutrional value has gone, then add some more water and boil them again.

            BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY ANYMORE

            Fry stuff, add cheese, add bacon, add bacon and cheese.

            Get yourself some spicy sausage, fry with mushrooms and oinions in half olive oil half butter, when done chuck over a ton of washed kale, cook for a couple mins till kale wilts in steam from it being wet, stir on a knob of butter, then chuck over a good handful of grated strong farmhouse chedda. NOM NOM NOM.

            Anyway got to go put the sprouts in the slowcooker so they are ready for when the family comes over for Christmas Dinner
            You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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            • #7
              More information, please, Mr. James.

              What DOES go down the hatch?
              What have you tried that was spat out, and how was it prepared?

              If you give us details, we can work better with that... hope to hear.
              I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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              • #8
                There have been a few crybaby posts every now and then from people who just don't like vegetables or meat or liver or anything healthy and all they can eat is pablum (plus anything that comes in a wrapper somehow seems palatable to them). I don't think there is any hope for people like that. I suggest maybe you try actual baby food. Get the squash and carrots and beef stew and see if can work your way up. I don't mean to be harsh even though I totally am being harsh, but I honestly don't understand people who have no ability to develop adult tastes in food.
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                • #9
                  Fast until you are legitimately ravenous, then whatever you eat will be delicious.
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                  • #10
                    I don't have the most sophisticated palate either, I guess. For example, I despise leafy greens. So I mostly make food I liked as a kid back when my mom actually cooked. Shepherd's pie (just the meat, sometimes with melted cheddar on top), chicken soup, beef stew, meatloaf, etc. You can seriously do fine just sticking to diced carrot/celery/onion (mirepoix). All of the dishes I mentioned require only those vegetables. I barely even buy any other vegetables, to be completely honestly. The produce bin in my fridge is just always full to the top with carrots/celery/onion.

                    I think a lot of (most?) people here follow the big-piece-of-meat-with-vegetables-on-the-side meal model, which (for me) means you get to eat something nice (meat) followed by a bunch of unappetizing stuff you have to choke down (vegetables, especially raw ones). I don't like that, so I don't do it.

                    The fact is that I love and crave the mouthfeel of fat and don't like the mouthfeel of vegetable matter. To me, it feels about as filling and satisfying as eating paper. To me, a mouthful of vegetables is like holding a lump of aluminum when you're used to holding lumps of iron. It feels light and unsubstantial. It feels low-quality, disposable, and disappointing. It's just thoroughly unsatisfying. I don't know if that's "immature" or not, but it is what it is. I rarely get into food that doesn't have a full, heavy, fatty mouthfeel. So I make a lot of soups and stews, where everything ends up with a homogenous meaty/buttery taste, yet every spoonful has vegetables in it right along with the meat.

                    The trick is to thoroughly sautee the vegetables in butter or animal fat first before adding anything else. Then they don't taste or feel like vegetables in your mouth, because they are soft and creamy and buttery instead, and they lose the lightweight, bitter, and astringent qualities I associate with vegetables (and dislike so much). After being infused with fat, they blend in with the meat and sauce so well you can barely tell you are eating them unless you look. That's the goal for me. It's not just about sneaking vegetables into things I make, it's about infusing them with fat so they become psychologically (and probably biologically) satisfying. I actually load my soups/stews with vegetables, I just also load them with fat, and I make sure the vegetables soak it up before adding any water or stock at all. As long as I do that, they taste/feel great to me.

                    Originally posted by Apex Predator View Post
                    Fast until you are legitimately ravenous, then whatever you eat will be delicious.
                    This is not true. Back in my disordered eating days, I could go days/a week without eating, and I would still turn down a raw vegetable plate. They feel so unsubstantial to me that they wouldn't even be worth the effort to chew, in my mind.
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                    • #11
                      Fast until you are legitimately ravenous, then whatever you eat will be delicious.
                      Yup, hunger is the best seasoning.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gravyboat View Post
                        I think a lot of (most?) people here follow the big-piece-of-meat-with-vegetables-on-the-side meal model, which (for me) means you get to eat something nice (meat) followed by a bunch of unappetizing stuff you have to choke down (vegetables, especially raw ones). I don't like that, so I don't do it.
                        Why are you going on about raw veg? Last I checked primal wasn't about eating them raw and as for covered in a fat, this is actually better for you as many vitamins are fat soluble so you need to eat fat with them. Some people here do go heavy on the meat and small serving of veg but many don't. Or don't regularly. Breakfast for me is usually meat and eggs, lunch is often only plant matter with some fat and dinner is often equally split. If someone has a sensory processing disorder it's at least understandable (and they should probably be doing GAPS) but the vast majority are just being picky, which often originates for childhood power struggles or parents who had crappy diets or never cared what their kids ate. If a person wants to continue to eat like this then that's their choice but telling a person that wants to change that there's nothing wrong with their eating is pretty crappy advice.
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                        • #13
                          Yeah, I was interpreting the original post as being like my niece who I have never seen eat anything except spaghetti-ohs and white bread. I don't think she has ever eaten anything else. I just don't understand how that happens (well obviously, it's parenting), but more than that, why doesn't it clear up on its own?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Blackcatbone View Post
                            If someone has a sensory processing disorder it's at least understandable (and they should probably be doing GAPS) but the vast majority are just being picky, which often originates for childhood power struggles or parents who had crappy diets or never cared what their kids ate. If a person wants to continue to eat like this then that's their choice but telling a person that wants to change that there's nothing wrong with their eating is pretty crappy advice.
                            All I'm saying is that I don't like vegetables much either, and so I know what it's like to consider yourself (and be considered by others to be) a picky/immature eater. And here's why I don't like them, and what I've been able to do to make myself want to eat them. I never said "Go ahead and be a picky eater and don't eat any vegetables!" I said "This is what worked for me, maybe it'll work for you too." OP never said anything about why they don't like vegetables. For all I know, they have the same issues as I do. And if so, maybe my method will help.

                            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                            Yeah, I was interpreting the original post as being like my niece who I have never seen eat anything except spaghetti-ohs and white bread. I don't think she has ever eaten anything else. I just don't understand how that happens (well obviously, it's parenting), but more than that, why doesn't it clear up on its own?
                            I have no idea what OP's situation is. But if it's similar to mine, then maybe my advice can help. If not, they can disregard. I used to eat spaghetti-os and white bread nearly every single day before I went primal and figured out I could add fat to healthy food to make it more palatable to me. I mean, you couldn't pay me enough to live on dry chicken breasts and steamed vegetables. I'd shoot myself in the face. Even vegetables with melted butter drizzled on top just tastes like cardboard with melted butter drizzled on top. So I just ate total junk because it was the only thing I did find palatable. I figured vegetables were just a lost cause for me and I would never like them. It wasn't until I started SOAKING vegetables in fat that they became nice to eat. Maybe OP is in the same situation and just hasn't figured it out yet. I don't know. I'm just trying to help.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                              There have been a few crybaby posts every now and then from people who just don't like vegetables or meat or liver or anything healthy and all they can eat is pablum (plus anything that comes in a wrapper somehow seems palatable to them). I don't think there is any hope for people like that. I suggest maybe you try actual baby food. Get the squash and carrots and beef stew and see if can work your way up. I don't mean to be harsh even though I totally am being harsh, but I honestly don't understand people who have no ability to develop adult tastes in food.
                              Some people have incredibly sensitive tastebuds and find flavors in veggies objectionable. These are flavors that most people cannot even taste - so they can't really judge and say "just get over it".

                              I have a very sensitive palate and a crazy sensitive sense of smell. I can become nauseated and get a blistering headache from smell that other people barely register. It's not because I'm a "crybaby". Just because you don't experience something yourself, it doesn't mean its not real.
                              Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                              http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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