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  • Dr. Mcdougall rips apart the paleo diet - your thoughts?

    I don't want to turn this into a vegan attack but am curious what your guys' thoughts are after reading this article from him bashing everything about the paleo diet

    McDougall Newsletter: June 2012 - The Paleo Diet is Uncivilized (And Unhealthy and Untrue)

    Is there a chance Mark Sisson would respond to this article? I know the 'starch solution' book has just been released by dr. Mcdougall.

    also, this is a pretty interesting article as well:

    Paleo Diet Review: Pros and Cons -- Natural Health Newsletter

    I've always been curious about the consumption of meat and the acidic nature of it.

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    my initial thought was 'who cares?'

    upon reading, my thoughts morphed into 'this n=1 works for me, so who cares'
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    • #3
      ok...but I care about learning what is the optimal diet and if there is research to disprove the paleo/primal diet I'm always curious what it is and what other people think of it.

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      • #4
        Wow, lets just look at the first few lines:

        "Low-carbohydrate (low-carb) diets are fueling the destruction of human health and our planet Earth." Maybe, and wrong on destroying the Earth.

        “Low-carbohydrate” means a diet high in animal foods and low in plant foods." Hmmm...are we talking about Atkins or Paleo/Primal? Because I eat a ton of veggies.

        "The original Atkins Diet is the ultimate in low-carb eating. This diet works by starving the human body of carbohydrates in order to induce a state of illness (ketosis), which can result in weight loss. People become too sick to eat too much." OK...Atkins /= Paleo. Yeah this guys is full of shit.

        I stopped reading after about that point, because this is just a blast piece with zero scientific credibility.
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        • #5
          every diet in the world has studies that prove it's healthy and prove it's harmful, and not even counting the rest of the internet, there have been soooo manyyyy threads here about this very thing

          group A will come by and say 'those writers got it totally wrong and here's why *lays out 15 different studies*'
          group B will swing around and say 'no they're right, excluding entire food groups is unhealthy and can lead to disordered eating *lays out 7 studies saying why*'
          group C, like me, will meander in and say 'how many times do you people want to have the same conversation when you're just gonna do what you want anyway?'
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          yeah you are

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          • #6
            wanderlust, my first group A-er

            see?
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            Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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            • #7
              Uncle Mark doesn't even need to dignify that article with a response. A high school student could tear it to pieces while nursing a hang over.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                wanderlust, my first group A-er

                see?
                I think I feel into Group D: realized the article was a complete waste of effing time and said eff it!
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                • #9
                  so what are your thoughts about the studies he concluded that claimed that paleolithic people ate more starch and vegetable based foods?

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                  • #10
                    About as misleading as a Michael Moore documentary. He commits just about every logical fallacy out there.
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                    • #11
                      i think they ate what they could, seasons permitting
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                      yeah you are

                      Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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                      • #12
                        “Low-carbohydrate” means a diet high in animal foods and low in plant foods." Hmmm...are we talking about Atkins or Paleo/Primal? Because I eat a ton of veggies.
                        LOL, I eat more plant foods eating primal than I did eating vegan. I eat meat + fruits and veggies. Or I dunno, maybe he counts bread and soy as plant foods. I guess the reality is that I eat more unprocessed plant foods while primal.

                        People just enjoy being correct and don't accept when their way doesn't work for everyone. Here I am- weighing less than I did in high school, feeling great while eating the meat the vegans said would surely make me fat and unhealthy. That's all the proof I need to keep me primal.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Brent* View Post
                          ok...but I care about learning what is the optimal diet and if there is research to disprove the paleo/primal diet I'm always curious what it is and what other people think of it.
                          Nothing works the same for everyone. You have to be your own n=1 and find what works for you. Stop calling it a "diet" that is your first problem. Primal /= Paleo, that is another problem. There is a difference between the two. Just read Cordian vs. Mark, you will see the difference. I could never do Paleo, too restrictive and feels like a diet. Primal, the lifestyle, much easier thing to do the rest of my life.

                          Trying to search through all the "Diet" information in the bookstores and on the web will drive you insane. Everything can and is disproved by one study or another. It is amazing that we have survived this long... As I said, be your own n=1 and find what works for you and live a happy life, stop worrying about it.
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                          • #14
                            Should we refute every mentally ill homeless person rambling in the streets too?

                            There are legitimate critiques of all the flavors of paleo, especially the way they are actually done as opposed to the way they are intended, but this is not one of them.
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                            • #15
                              Agree with Wanderlust, the guy's full of crap.

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