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  • Big Pharma assault on O3

    There were no less than 3 articles in yahoo today attempting to cast doubt on O3.

    If you read the articles, they were short term studies and got no real results either way. Beyond that, it seems obvious that they designed the studies specifically to that purpose.

    From what I understand, you really need a healthy diet to truly benefit from O3 supplements anyway. If you take them with a donut, the insulinin will store it right to your ass.

    But yeah, Big Pharma adds a few O3 supplements to a SAD and when the subjects don't immediately start talking about astrophysics they conclude that it has no effect.

  • #2
    So glad someone brought this up, I saw at least one of these articles, which even in itself was contradictory, but the doctor was advising his patients to no longer take fish oil supplements bc of this study, which only used 1.7 g dose of fish oil once daily and of course did not look at the types of O6 in their diet. I typically tell people that if they want a laugh in regards to bad nutrition advice, take a look at the "experts" on yahoo.

    However, I did see one article today that was not on the actual health page but was buried somewhere else written by a PhD who condemned the low fat movement and did not go as far to say eliminate all grains, but did say you probably couldn't eat any grains he would consider ok at your local supermarket. So I thought that was progress!

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    • #3
      It just cheesed me off that the studies themselves were more or less worthless, and did nothing apart from providing a weak excuse to flash headlines like "Study shows Omega 3s don't affect brain health."

      When you read, you learn that the study gleaned no useflul information, but how many people just saw the headline and moved on...

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      • #4
        We live in a seriously crazy world. It's scary sometimes, the lengths that people (typically in power) will go to remain in power. We don't care about our own species in the least. While I know the majority of people are good, we really don't seem deserving of such an amazing planet.

        brb off to become a vegan..
        I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by codered5 View Post
          take a look at the "experts" on yahoo.
          Whenever I hear of an 'expert' opinion, I think of my definition of an expert. To do this you have to break the word down to its phonetic components.

          So remember

          An 'ex' is a has been, and a 'spurt' is a drip under pressure.

          Cheers
          have a great day.

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          • #6
            They've put up two more anti Omega 3 articles.

            What really floors me is the studies themselves don't actually give any real information, one way or the other, but the articles themselves are worded so as to insinuate that O3 has no effect on brain health, almost mockingly so...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BlkSabbath74 View Post
              There were no less than 3 articles in yahoo today attempting to cast doubt on O3.

              If you read the articles, they were short term studies and got no real results either way. Beyond that, it seems obvious that they designed the studies specifically to that purpose.

              From what I understand, you really need a healthy diet to truly benefit from O3 supplements anyway. If you take them with a donut, the insulinin will store it right to your ass
              .

              But yeah, Big Pharma adds a few O3 supplements to a SAD and when the subjects don't immediately start talking about astrophysics they conclude that it has no effect.
              Unfortunately, this is the way a lot of people take 03. It's like saying so many hail Marys to make up for your sins.
              I don't see this as a power conspiracy, rather as many people being to lazy to really change their ways and looking to find "the trick" that will game the process.
              Last edited by Paleobird; 06-13-2012, 03:09 PM.

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              • #8
                Two more 'new' articles on O3 this morning...one headline reads Omega 3 benefits to brain health debunked.

                Man, this crap is pissing me off!!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                  We live in a seriously crazy world. It's scary sometimes, the lengths that people (typically in power) will go to remain in power. We don't care about our own species in the least. While I know the majority of people are good, we really don't seem deserving of such an amazing planet.

                  brb off to become a vegan..
                  +1
                  If I just said LOL, I lied. Do or do not. There is no try.

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                  • #10
                    My happiest days are when I pay absolutely no heed to news at all from any source. I was so unplugged and happy and out of the loop (just totally turned it all off) a few times that my sister-in-law started calling me to let me know when the next huge storm front was supposed to be coming because she knew I wouldn't have heard it. That was bliss.

                    Yea, O-3 works. Disabled daughter actually has long-term hard-ass data collected on her by a very credentialled CCC-SLP we have been seeing for years. She couldn't account for the language gains in my severely speech AND language disabled kid until I told her that we were supplementing with high doses of fish-dha. (Just FYI, this SLP got my non-verbal daughter to speak when other less-able therapists couldn't, so she is a keeper - kindest human, too)

                    Primal taught me to watch the O-6 thing. I have been replacing the high o-6 oils in the house food supply and ability is jumping again...

                    I am getting to the point that I think studies are like a**holes - everybody has one...
                    I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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                    • #11
                      welp, it started with o6 being a SUPER HEALTH FOOD THIS WILL CURE EVERYTHING

                      then o6 IS BAD DON'T EAT IT

                      now it's o3's turn
                      beautiful
                      yeah you are

                      Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                      lol

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                        welp, it started with o6 being a SUPER HEALTH FOOD THIS WILL CURE EVERYTHING

                        then o6 IS BAD DON'T EAT IT

                        now it's o3's turn
                        This is another reason why I don't do supplements. We have a long history of getting it wrong or over-hyping one particular vitamin or mineral as the savior of mankind. Just eat some good real food with a good variety, land and sea, and you're fine.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          This is another reason why I don't do supplements. We have a long history of getting it wrong or over-hyping one particular vitamin or mineral as the savior of mankind. Just eat some good real food with a good variety, land and sea, and you're fine.
                          I agree with you 99.9%. But - you know, there are times and places and people who really could benefit from some additional help here and there, so I still pay attention to what is out there. I think that the more you move toward real health / real food the less you need this stuff, until you don't need it all. I know BTEMom (and I) have kids in special situations, I have dealt with depression, etc. I am grateful for the companies with high standards who sell honest products that help me/us along the way. If I hadn't found help in the nutritional world, I would have had little choice but to add more pharma to the mix (just from an out-of-love attempt to relieve suffering), and that would have been sad / bad.
                          I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Crabbcakes View Post
                            I agree with you 99.9%. But - you know, there are times and places and people who really could benefit from some additional help here and there, so I still pay attention to what is out there. I think that the more you move toward real health / real food the less you need this stuff, until you don't need it all.
                            I totally agree. Supplements have their place when there is a real deficiency, say if someone is in Alaska for the winter, some D might be a good idea or if someone travels for work and doesn't have good food options perhaps a multi might help.

                            What bugs me is people self-diagnosing based on the latest guru's book and then mega dosing with the supplement of the month. Right now it is iodine. Yes, iodine is necessary and a deficiency is not good but extra iodine can be even more harmful. There are people on that iodine thread being told to take iodine based on vague symptoms such as "I feel tired" or "I have acne". Excess iodine will trash your thyroid.

                            This is more dangerous than just flushing some expensive pee.

                            It also strikes me as silly when people bemoan the fact that organic and grass fed cost more but are willing to shell out serious bucks for a shelf full of supplements.

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                            • #15
                              I was reading something earlier about the idea that short term supplementation is good for rebalancing O6:O3, but that long term the increased oxidation from all the PUFA intake could be bad. The over-all percentage of PUFA in your diet just increases if your only attempt to balance the ratio is by adding MORE of a different kind of PUFA.

                              Trying to balance O6:O3 through the elimination of seed oils and eating grass fed animal fat makes the most sense to me. Focusing on natural food sources makes the most sense, but it's still a guess as to how much fish we should actually be eating. Does anyone have good information on the healthiest ratio of PUFA to Total Fat?

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