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  • I don't sleep.

    I have what I think is delayed sleep insomnia. It takes me hours on hours to fall asleep, and I don't hit deep REM. This comes and goes in cycles, which is what I find odd- it'll come for one to two weeks then I'll spend the next one or two weeks adjusting back and then it comes again. I've tried every suggestion and homeremedy in the book, it just.. doesn't work. I don't know.. But I honestly need more than two to four hours a night with my training volume. And I don't want to go to medications.. I've been taking melatonin on and off, but that doesn't to too terribly much.

    Any suggestions?
    "...there was about him a suggestion of lurking ferocity, as though the Wild still lingered in him and the wolf in him merely slept." - Jack London, "White Fang"

  • #2
    Have you seen the "Iodine Anyone?" thread? Apparently iodine will cure that, along with everything else. I'm not normally that keen on quackery, but I am going to try iodine when I get round to buying some.

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    • #3
      Agree with Sihana's suggestions 100%. Also, i would add cold thermogenesis to the game plan.

      My husband and I also have severely messed up sleep - he has trouble falling asleep, we both have trouble getting deep sleep throughout the night, and we generally wake up feeling more tired than before we went to sleep. We've started a new 'lights out' policy - we turn off any electronic light at around 10pm, then hang out in the dark for about an hour. The darkness has actually started triggering him to get sleepy much earlier. We have blackout curtains in the bedroom (neither of us can sleep if there's even the littlest bit of twilight). We also take magnesium citrate before bed. The maganesium doesn't seem to help us sleep, but my muscles get tight if I don't take it.

      Also, taking a cold bath or shower right before bed seems to help a lot of people with getting deeper sleep. I think it's been helping me, but its hard to tell if its also due to the lights out policy or CT or both.

      I also have significantly worse sleep if I'm fasting - so I don't do any 36-40 hour fasts much anymore, I usually try to have a big hearty dinner, but not too close to bedtime, or my heavy stomach will keep me up.

      Also, don't know how you feel about taking OTC medications (I generally try to take them as infrequently as possible) but if i feel worried I'm about to have a crap night of sleep, once or twice a week, I'll take 2 benedryl. They're very safe in terms of not having bad side effects, the worst is that they might make you a little groggy in the morning, but i find they help me to get deeper sleep when used sparingly.

      Also, another OTC thing you might want to look into is Phenibut. It has a long half-life (so major grogginess next day), and it takes a long time to kick in (I take it at 4-5pm if I'm planning to go to sleep around 11-12pm), but it's another thing that helps me get some good quality sleep.

      For me, natural herbal stuff like Valerian doesn't do anything.

      Sleep deprivation is awful - you're not alone.
      Last edited by BestBetter; 06-05-2012, 03:08 PM.

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      • #4
        Are you depressed? Overstressed? I'm asking because the things that affect my sleeping patterns negatively the most are all mental.

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        • #5
          I don't get much sleep due to night sweats from menopause. I have learned to set the house temp to 71 and have a fan blow on me. Plus get plenty of exercise. It seems to help.

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          • #6
            This is a small detail, but white noise can also help. I keep an oscillating fan on next to me and it definitely helps me sleep. I second blackout curtains. Natural Calm definitely works; in fact, nothing has been helped me sleep as much as magnesium, and I have tried EVERYTHING. For me, 2 tsp. is great, but it builds up and gives me diarrhea (apparently this happens when your magnesium is replete); when that happens I stop taking it for a few days and then restart. Acupuncture has helped me a lot with sleep, and so have the mysterious chinese herbs that my acupuncturist gives me. I would give you the name, but it's in chinese so I can't. Try burning some lavender incense in your room before bed, too.

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            • #7
              P.S. Getting vitamin d is really important. Try to get in some sun midday and if you're not, then supplement. Drops are best; take your supplements midday with a meal that has some fat in it.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by billp View Post
                Have you seen the "Iodine Anyone?" thread? Apparently iodine will cure that, along with everything else. I'm not normally that keen on quackery, but I am going to try iodine when I get round to buying some.
                I started that thread.

                And to say "Apparently iodine cures everything" is the wrong way of looking at things. Because it's having a healthy thyroid that fixes many issues, not iodine directly. And if one is supplementing with Iodine, they also need selenium

                It's not quackery, you're just looking at it wrong. When one cuts out processed foods and thus also cuts out refined salt, they are loosing probably their ONLY source of iodine. Which is why switching to a healthy diet means you need to find a new source of iodine. When someone is eating an otherwise healthy diet and is experiencing problems, it's thus logical to ask the questions "How's your thyroid?", "Are you getting any iodine?".

                If you're not getting enough (or any) iodine or selenium, your thyroid is not going to be optimal. And an unhealthy thyroid is a surefire way to make yourself feel like crap, and experience a myriad of negative symptoms.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triiodothyronine (T3 hormone)
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroxine (T4 hormone)

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothyroidism
                Last edited by Bosnic; 06-05-2012, 07:05 PM.

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                • #9
                  Lots of good suggestions here. Mine 2 cents

                  1. Eliminate 100% of caffeine from your diet. All of it - even decaf coffee and tea for 1-2 months to see what happens.
                  2. F.lux
                  3. Topical Magnesium brine on your skin one hour before bed or natural calm magnesium before bed.
                  4. Does benadryl make you sleepy? It can be helpful to have some on hand - not for every night, but just knowing there is a way to get to sleep if you really need it can take some of the pressure off. It will lose efficacy if you take it too often.
                  5. Some people find a tsp. of honey before bed can help.

                  Insomnia is brutal and really sucks. Caffeine elimination combined with magnesium pretty much took care of my really bad insomnia. Every now and then it happens again, but i take a benadryl on those rare occasions.
                  Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                  http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Alphess View Post
                    I've tried every suggestion and homeremedy in the book
                    Can you say what those are?

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                    • #11
                      You should do whatever the hell I do. I hit REM sleep during a quick 5 minute nap. I think it has something to do with being immature since babies hit it easily too.
                      In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

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                      • #12
                        Man, I have done every single thing anybody here has listed so far, except for cold thermogenesis (I have Raynaud's and my hands/feet completely drain of blood if exposed to the cold - - highly unpleasant). Not one of them has done a damn thing. My bedtime rituals are ridiculously long and complicated at this point and I still don't get more than about 5 hours. It sucks, sucks, sucks. I am eating soooo clean right now, it is massively frustrating to feel like absolute crap all day, every day. Ugh. If anyone figures out how to get the body to stop pumping out cortisol in the middle of the night, PLEASE TELL ME.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sihana
                          Marijuana
                          Personally I find that smoking before bedtime keeps me awake and makes it hard to settle and get comfortable. But different people react differently.
                          Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

                          My Primal Journal

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                          • #14
                            5-htp around 4pm/5pm 50mg with food to prevent nausea was the only efficient cure for my onset insomnia, worked better than my sleeping pills (I'm on Ambien). I now fall asleep in 15 minutes. Worth trying if you haven't yet, timing is important either the 4/5pm moment of taking the pill (before bedtime is useless) and try to go to bed whenever you feel sleepy (work out your proper bedtime, mine was surprisingly early: 10pm to 11pm or else I stay awake until 3am which is my next sleeping time).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nossar View Post
                              5-htp around 4pm/5pm 50mg with food to prevent nausea was the only efficient cure for my onset insomnia, worked better than my sleeping pills (I'm on Ambien). I now fall asleep in 15 minutes. Worth trying if you haven't yet, timing is important either the 4/5pm moment of taking the pill (before bedtime is useless) and try to go to bed whenever you feel sleepy (work out your proper bedtime, mine was surprisingly early: 10pm to 11pm or else I stay awake until 3am which is my next sleeping time).
                              Hmm I tried 5-HTP once and was awake the entire night after I took it. Afraid to try it a second time. Although I also had a similar experience with the much-vaunted iodine. I was literally buzzing all night, physically exhausted but feeling like someone had injected me with the caffeine in 8 espresso shots. I tried that about 4x, separated by a week or more in between, with the exact same results. No more iodine for me!!

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