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  • #16
    Darwin17, do you mean to say that gluten affects your arthritis? I think this may be the case with my mom, only she has to give it more time... She has been ill a very long time, so I suppose her body would need more time to heal. And she has mostly given up gluten, but will have a piece of bread or cake on festive occasions and that's about once every two months or so. If she is indeed sensitive to gluten and it's making her worse, she would need to give it up for a longer time to let her body 'flush it out' of her system and begin the healing process. Of course, if she had an acute reaction like you did, she would be able to pinpoint gluten as a cause and give it up immediately, I suppose. But she hasn't been able to identify a single cause or maybe her body has gotten too confused over time and its responses are blunted. Oh, I hope I can convince her to stay completely off gluten for 6 months and see how she feels.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sol y Sombra View Post
      Darwin17, do you mean to say that gluten affects your arthritis? I think this may be the case with my mom, only she has to give it more time... She has been ill a very long time, so I suppose her body would need more time to heal. And she has mostly given up gluten, but will have a piece of bread or cake on festive occasions and that's about once every two months or so. If she is indeed sensitive to gluten and it's making her worse, she would need to give it up for a longer time to let her body 'flush it out' of her system and begin the healing process. Of course, if she had an acute reaction like you did, she would be able to pinpoint gluten as a cause and give it up immediately, I suppose. But she hasn't been able to identify a single cause or maybe her body has gotten too confused over time and its responses are blunted. Oh, I hope I can convince her to stay completely off gluten for 6 months and see how she feels.
      The problem that I have found with gluten is that it is found in the most unexpected places such as in sausages and burgers to help bind them together...thickeners in sauces.....i make most things myself now to avoid this issue......

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      • #18
        Originally posted by fuzzynavel View Post
        The problem that I have found with gluten is that it is found in the most unexpected places such as in sausages and burgers to help bind them together...thickeners in sauces.....i make most things myself now to avoid this issue......
        Fact!!! Also, when there are several things causing problems, removing one big problem may not be enough to make you feel much better. A strict elimination diet will allow a time to heal a bit and then once feeling better (maybe a week or several months later) slowly add foods back in to see their effect. Auto-immune diseases wreak such havock in the body that it can take some time to calm the immune response down ... and then there are still the permanently damaged parts that may or may not get much better even when your remove the problem. Some of us take years to heal and when you have the "take a pill" immendiate mentality, it is very hard to allow the body the time that is needed to make real progress.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Sol y Sombra View Post
          Darwin17, do you mean to say that gluten affects your arthritis? I think this may be the case with my mom, only she has to give it more time... She has been ill a very long time, so I suppose her body would need more time to heal. And she has mostly given up gluten, but will have a piece of bread or cake on festive occasions and that's about once every two months or so. If she is indeed sensitive to gluten and it's making her worse, she would need to give it up for a longer time to let her body 'flush it out' of her system and begin the healing process. Of course, if she had an acute reaction like you did, she would be able to pinpoint gluten as a cause and give it up immediately, I suppose. But she hasn't been able to identify a single cause or maybe her body has gotten too confused over time and its responses are blunted. Oh, I hope I can convince her to stay completely off gluten for 6 months and see how she feels.
          For autoimmune issues I think it seems to very wildly for individuals. For many it is gluten for me I think it is a part of it but really seems to hit it when I have unnatural oils.

          It is very rare I go off but I have had a bit of gluten here and there but to be honest in about 3 months have had something with gluten on 4 occasions and have not had any reaction from it. I eat lots of eggs and a fair amount of night shades as I like hot sauce etc. It seems to be the fats I eat as frankenfat destroys me in #2 land and now it gave me a flair up it seems.

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          • #20
            Yes, frankenfats are a part of the picture too, it seems. Here in Bulgaria sunflower oil has been the most used oil for cooking for decades. Now we haven't used it in 8 months, we've replaced it with EVOO, but we have been consuming it for decades, my mom especially

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Darwin17 View Post
              For autoimmune issues I think it seems to very wildly for individuals. For many it is gluten for me I think it is a part of it but really seems to hit it when I have unnatural oils.

              It is very rare I go off but I have had a bit of gluten here and there but to be honest in about 3 months have had something with gluten on 4 occasions and have not had any reaction from it. I eat lots of eggs and a fair amount of night shades as I like hot sauce etc. It seems to be the fats I eat as frankenfat destroys me in #2 land and now it gave me a flair up it seems.
              I'm realizing that the bad oils are a big problem for me as well. I think even more than gluten.
              Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

              http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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              • #22
                Amazon.com: Deep Nutrition: Why Your Genes Need Traditional Food (9780615228389): Catherine Shanahan, Luke Shanahan: Books

                Deep Nutrition by Catherine and Luke Shanahan

                When you read Primal Blueprint and he talks about gene manipulation and expression or any other Paleo author it is many of the same things. When you or I read a study that they use to back up what they are saying I try to read the study.......I am not a Dr......I am a stock broker so this is the other end of the world for me.

                This book brings it down to a level that I now have a deep understanding about what bad fats, gluten, hydrogenated oils, HFCS completely wreck shop on our DNA. We owe it to ourselves to learn more about why we eat this way. This one is a perfect companion with PB.

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                • #23
                  Update.....still have not had a Shot of Enbrel since that post. Have a minor flare up know and there but not that bad at all so no meds at all.

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                  • #24
                    Me too!

                    Originally posted by Darwin17 View Post
                    Update.....still have not had a Shot of Enbrel since that post. Have a minor flare up know and there but not that bad at all so no meds at all.
                    I've had psoriatic arthritis since I was 22. I was amazed to see that after 3 weeks of following paleo my psoriasis on my elbows and legs has just about disappeared and the scale on my scalp is about 75% gone!

                    My arthritis has also remarkably improved. I take the minimum methotrexate and will be dropping that soon too.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Darwin17 View Post
                      Update.....still have not had a Shot of Enbrel since that post. Have a minor flare up know and there but not that bad at all so no meds at all.
                      Have just joined this forum. What a great place to interact with like individuals! I too have PA, and am beginning a Paleo diet. My rheumatologist has me on sulfasalazine at the moment. I'm curious, as its been awhile, how are you doing now?

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                      • #26
                        Congrats on the improvement! I started Primal because of the pain throughout my body (& a few other things) and have also seen great improvement. My next step is to begin omitting dairy (I know it messes with me) but that will be SO much harder than giving up gluten. I have not experimented with omitting nightshades, as I have not noticed a correlation. I really hope not as I love spaghetti squash with a meaty homemade pasta sauce. Please be sure to update us with everything - I find it just fascinating & wonderful to hear people's non-weight related success stories. They reassure me more & more about my decision to turn Primal (not to mention the direct results I have experienced, too).

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                        • #27
                          Hi, I am following this discussion....IslandSeeker, If you ever do want to try to eliminate nightshades for a while, I found an amazing recipe for "No-mato sauce" here: The Primordial Table: NOmato Sauce (AIP)

                          It is a marinara that uses no tomatoes! I have made it a few time, add a little extra tbs or two of olive oil, and some basil and oregano at the end and it is truly tastes the real thing. I use it the same way I would with real marinara sauce....sauté an onion, garlic, broccoli or spinach, ground beef and mushrooms and then add the sauce. So good over spaghetti squash.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sunny_daze View Post
                            Hi, I am following this discussion....IslandSeeker, If you ever do want to try to eliminate nightshades for a while, I found an amazing recipe for "No-mato sauce" here: The Primordial Table: NOmato Sauce (AIP)

                            It is a marinara that uses no tomatoes! I have made it a few time, add a little extra tbs or two of olive oil, and some basil and oregano at the end and it is truly tastes the real thing. I use it the same way I would with real marinara sauce....sauté an onion, garlic, broccoli or spinach, ground beef and mushrooms and then add the sauce. So good over spaghetti squash.
                            Thanks! I will have try it even if I don't need to go nightshade free. Can't hurt


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                            • #29
                              Interesting thread here.. I have fibromyalgia and the beginnings of osteoarthritis. Went completely gluten free in Feb of this year. It has made quite a difference in my pain levels. They are a bit less. I am still struggling with sugar though which I believe is causing me problems. I am in a household of non paleo people, my husband, our two daughters and my mother. Taking it a day at a time.

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                              • #30
                                I have given up the dairy which was very hard as I lived for milk and cheese! I tried some chocolate almond milk the other day however, and it is amazing! Never would have known the difference. Have been cooking with coconut oil too. Over all, joint pain has gone down.
                                Definetly going to try that marinara sauce! I want to see if eliminating night shades have any effects.

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