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  • #46
    I will jump for joy if they take the drinks away, fills me with utter glee.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by tfarny View Post
      Wow, that's a pretty bizarre one. Not sure where I advocated violence, or approved of the soda size ban at all. But it's obvious you want to react angrily at someone, so, glad I could helpful. BTW the whole "gun to the head" metaphor is really, really, stretched pretty far here isn't it?
      It's not really a metaphor. Try not paying your taxes and then barricade yourself in your house for a while and refuse to move. All completely non-aggressive [lack of] actions. I would be surprised if at some point a gun was not pointed at your head, in the totally literal sense.

      In the same way, if this law is passed, and someone continues to serve the banned drink size, and continues to do so while ignoring fines or other penal measures (all non-aggressive actions that deny no one any agency nor cause them involuntary harm), at some point someone will come into his restaurant and point a gun at him to force him to comply. This is not metaphorical, it would be a real live gun that could really blow off his real head.
      Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
        I will jump for joy if they take the drinks away, fills me with utter glee.
        Then your claim to libertarianism rings rather hollow, doesn't it?
        Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

        My Primal Journal

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        • #49
          Donuts and diet coke are okay?

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          • #50
            Liberals are the dumbest people on the planet. And this is just another example why.

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            • #51
              Once again they are going after the wrong side of the equation. Unlimited cheap soda is only possible due to cheap high fructose corn syrup, which is only possible due to governmental support and subsidies (sp?) for an industrialized agriculture system. We're eating what the corporations/government support. If we want to change the system we've got to start at the supply side.
              Trying a journal. We'll see how long that lasts....

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              • #52
                Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
                Starting Weight: 294 pounds
                Current Weight: 235 pounds
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by kenn View Post

                  Yeah, that doesn't make much sense there...

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Primal Bill View Post
                    Liberals are the dumbest people on the planet. And this is just another example why.
                    You seem like a real independent thinker yourself there.
                    Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

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                    • #55
                      Libertarians do not believe in laws that violate your personal right to do what you want to your body....period. You cannot pick and choose. Example below:

                      Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                      Bloomberg had some really great mayoral moments during his first 2 legitimate terms, but with this weird shady third term he snuck in, he's really ruining his legacy. Banning the trans-fats in restaurants in NYC, that I was ok with, even though I'd rarely to never eat fried foods anyway, but this soda cap seems pointless and just a cheap way for him to grab some headlines for being a mayor who really cares about the common folk while he's shuttling between NYC and his weekend home in the bahamas.
                      You cannot pick and choose.....You have freedom, or you don't. You can't only have the stuff YOU are against banned, and assume that someone else with opposing views will not trample on YOUR right to choose.

                      You guys want the sodas limited in size? What about people who sell raw milk? You think that shouldn't be banned because why? It's not the same thing? It's not bad for you? Who gets to decide what's good or bad for you? For me? I have a small raw goat milk dairy, and if I get caught selling that milk to ANYONE, trust me, they come to your place with guns and they kill your animals, and you are lucky if you don't get shot yourself. How about alcohol? Some nice wine on the weekend? How is that different from other substances? How far will we go in our crusade to save people from themselves, and when do we draw the line?

                      I have a simple solution. Basic libertarian principle: Freedom and Responsibility. You have the freedom to use whatever you want on your property or on anyone else's property that gives permission. If you mess yourself up, you are responsible to take care of your own mess. Don't expect anyone to pay for your mess. Works for pretty much any situation.

                      Sorry, Bestbetter, that was totally not a rant on you, just thought it would be a good basic example.
                      Last edited by tech_hunter; 06-01-2012, 05:31 PM. Reason: Didn't want to offend another subscriber.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by tech_hunter View Post
                        Libertarians do not believe in laws that violate your personal right to do what you want to your body....period. You cannot pick and choose. Example below:



                        You cannot pick and choose.....You have freedom, or you don't. You can't only have the stuff YOU are against banned, and assume that someone else with opposing views will not trample on YOUR right to choose.

                        You guys want the sodas limited in size? What about people who sell raw milk? You think that shouldn't be banned because why? It's not the same thing? It's not bad for you? Who gets to decide what's good or bad for you? For me? I have a small raw goat milk dairy, and if I get caught selling that milk to ANYONE, trust me, they come to your place with guns and they kill your animals, and you are lucky if you don't get shot yourself. How about alcohol? Some nice wine on the weekend? How is that different from other substances? How far will we go in our crusade to save people from themselves, and when do we draw the line?

                        I have a simple solution. Basic libertarian principle: Freedom and Responsibility. You have the freedom to use whatever you want on your property or on anyone else's property that gives permission. If you mess yourself up, you are responsible to take care of your own mess. Don't expect anyone to pay for your mess. Works for pretty much any situation.
                        That's what I believe. I wish raw milk wasn't illegal, it's wonderful! If we took the warning labels off of everything, everything would sort itself out. I don't understand how people complain that they were burnt by hot coffee when that is what they bought. And come on, an actual hot stove? Who's that crazy to actually own a hot stove; it's not like they are used for cooking or anything. The Government doesn't always aim at helping people, but to gain more control over us. "Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither," - Benjamin Franklin. We don't want to educate ourselves. Laziness is rewarded.
                        Last edited by Call Me Twitchy; 06-01-2012, 05:36 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Call Me Twitchy View Post
                          That's what I believe. I wish raw milk wasn't illegal, it's wonderful! If we took the warning labels off of everything, everything would sort itself out. I don't understand how people complain that they were burnt by hot coffee when that is what they bought. And come on, an actual hot stove? Who's that crazy to actually own a hot stove; it's not like they are used for cooking or anything. The Government doesn't always aim at helping people, but to gain more control over us. "Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither," - Benjamin Franklin. We don't want to educate ourselves. Laziness is rewarded.
                          I've always read it as this.... "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"


                          I would just as soon see corn subsidies go away so the artificially low price of HFCS would no longer keep the price of soda too low.

                          I'm not a fan of food bans. But some of what we are talking about isn't actually food - transfats, HFCS, etc.
                          Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                          http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                          • #58
                            They will then argue that those foods and how cheaply they are made are what have allowed civilization to prosper. I prefer the verbage in that one, btw. Then of course the safety measures of milk and stuff. The issue? Small, individual farms rarely if ever had issues with raw milk, it wasn't until they started mass producing it in such unsanitary facilities which then spawned the issues with bacteria and germs in the milk. So they had to pasteurize it in order to kill the bacteria. Is the issue individual farming? Nope. Mass production. I should be able to get raw milk, eggs, cheeses, and whatever from someone. If there is disease in it, well, that's the risk I am taking and I won't sue the farmer.

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                            • #59
                              What kills me is how loud the contraceptive-banning, pornography-policing, abortion-clinic-picketing, church-going busybody sodomy-law-enforcing nanny staters scream when their oversize soda sippy cups get taken away.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Call Me Twitchy View Post
                                Yeah, that doesn't make much sense there...
                                Originally posted by kenn View Post
                                It's funny how that works out isn't it?
                                Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
                                Starting Weight: 294 pounds
                                Current Weight: 235 pounds
                                Goal Weight: 195 pounds

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