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  • #31
    Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
    I'm libertarian and I agree- get those nasty things out away from the public. Ban them, do it!!

    I presume you are speaking of politicians. In which case, I completely agree.

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    • #32
      In this video Bloomberg admits that he is just a busybody who wants to do something.

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      • #33
        The entire population could do without large sodas but I don't really need the government (local or state) determining that.

        They've already decided raw milk is essentially illegal in my state and these are the same fools pushing my plate on an unsuspecting population.

        No thank you. Stay the hell out of my kitchen.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Goldsmith View Post
          Banning anything is bad in my opinion.
          I disagree. Banning things that cause harm to uninvolved parties(see: secondhand smoke) is completely legitimate and justifiable. That doesn't apply in this case, however.

          I don't think banning large sodas makes sense - This is one of those "it's your money, spend it how you want" situations. It'll also just lead to stupid crap like "buy one get one free" deals on smaller sodas.

          Now on the other hand, Bloomberg in the past also had a proposal to limit/prohibit the use of food stamps on soda/sweetened beverages. In my opinion that's a perfectly legitimate proposal, as when someone(or an entity) is providing assistance, it's perfectly reasonable to have the expectation/stipulation that said assistance is not squandered.

          I think public officials taking a proactive interest in public health is a good thing. However I think this particular effort is misguided.
          Last edited by jsa23; 06-01-2012, 04:47 AM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by jsa23 View Post
            I disagree. Banning things that cause harm to uninvolved parties(see: secondhand smoke) is completely legitimate and justifiable. That doesn't apply in this case, however.

            I don't think banning large sodas makes sense - This is one of those "it's your money, spend it how you want" situations. It'll also just lead to stupid crap like "buy one get one free" deals on smaller sodas.

            Now on the other hand, Bloomberg in the past also had a proposal to limit/prohibit the use of food stamps on soda/sweetened beverages. In my opinion that's a perfectly legitimate proposal, as when someone(or an entity) is providing assistance, it's perfectly reasonable to have the expectation/stipulation that said assistance is not squandered.

            I think public officials taking a proactive interest in public health is a good thing. However I think this particular effort is misguided.
            I don't think banning works but this isn't really just a case of being able to spend your own money on the poison of your choice. Healthcare costs associated with these soda-filled crap diets (diabetes, heart disease) are already sky-high and it will only get much worse. That's a bill we do all end up paying.

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            • #36
              Why not just tax it? Tax all soda beverages if the goal is to discourage consumption.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Zanna View Post
                I don't think banning works but this isn't really just a case of being able to spend your own money on the poison of your choice. Healthcare costs associated with these soda-filled crap diets (diabetes, heart disease) are already sky-high and it will only get much worse. That's a bill we do all end up paying.

                So who decides what is poison and what is acceptable? Today it is soda, tomorrow perhaps it is those horrible saturated fats. Red meat is 'unhealthy' compared to fish and chicken so lets limit the size of steak you can buy to 4 oz. Also, what about other risky behaviors? Do those not incur healthcare costs? Sky diving? Illegal. Cave diving? Illegal. Rock climibing? Illegal. Hell, how many millions of dollars are spent due to car accidents? Better ban driving.

                Originally posted by Legbiter View Post
                Why not just tax it? Tax all soda beverages if the goal is to discourage consumption.
                Because where does it end? Half the price of a pack of cigarettes is tax and people still smoke. Same with alcohol. Hell, look at the taxes on gasoline and yet people still drive. Also, it may be different in Iceland but in America it is not the government's job to discourage consumption.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Goldsmith View Post
                  Banning anything is bad in my opinion.
                  I'm all for keeping face-eating LSD banned! Otherwise, government, stay out of my business, k?
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                  • #39
                    They're not even banning the soda. They're banning the cup! I think the whole thing is really silly. I'm with you all that it's wrong, but I'm not sharpening my pitchfork unless they try to ban staple whole food like butter.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                      Because where does it end? Half the price of a pack of cigarettes is tax and people still smoke. Same with alcohol. Hell, look at the taxes on gasoline and yet people still drive. Also, it may be different in Iceland but in America it is not the government's job to discourage consumption.
                      Sin taxes are unAmerican? Since when? Lots of states and cities have them. What surprises me is that if Bloomberg was serious about cutting soda consumption then a ban like this seems horribly ham-fisted. Why wasn't that angle pursued first?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                        They're not even banning the soda. They're banning the cup!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Legbiter View Post
                          Sin taxes are unAmerican? Since when? Lots of states and cities have them.
                          Lots of cities have crime, pollution, corruption, and other such undesirables. Just because something exists does not make it desirable. As for since when, I would say since day one. Just because something continues to happen does not make it right.

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                          • #43
                            Dug around a little and Bloomberg tried to put a tax on the soda first but the state legislature nixed it.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Man is Truth
                              how did no one attack this weirdo...?



                              why are there people who still pick a side of that stupid coin in the 21st century? Your life must be sad.



                              I don't think that any libertarians are complaining that the ban is not total and effective enough...where they are pointing that out, it is to illustrate the absurd and childish mindset of the cognitively challenged minds that make up the Statist camp.



                              you should change the word Education there to Coercion. Education means that you make new information available to an individual, who then mixes this knowledge with his own in order to make better choices. What you are talking about is not Education.



                              woulda been way better coming out of elitist professors' heads



                              let's say that you were them. what incentive do you have to make the people of the projects healthy?



                              why should there be laws that treat me like a child even after I have grown up?

                              It makes sense for you to believe that above statement, because you said yourself, "I am a Liberal," which one could easily hear as, "I am most comfortable in this herd. Al Gore is my sheperd and I sleep more soundly knowing that my smart daddy fantasy ego projection is vigilant and loves me!

                              ah-ha



                              now you are equating telling people that something is unhealthy with pointing a gun at them and telling them that they are not authorised to consume it.

                              Your idea of acceptable levels of violence is inappropriately out of touch with reality
                              Wow, that's a pretty bizarre one. Not sure where I advocated violence, or approved of the soda size ban at all. But it's obvious you want to react angrily at someone, so, glad I could helpful. BTW the whole "gun to the head" metaphor is really, really, stretched pretty far here isn't it?
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                                Lots of cities have crime, pollution, corruption, and other such undesirables. Just because something exists does not make it desirable. As for since when, I would say since day one. Just because something continues to happen does not make it right.
                                Ding ding ding!

                                Slavery used to be common to, so does that make it okay?

                                Didn't think so.

                                This law is so stupid and un-democratic it literally boggles the mind. And just put NYC up there with NC in places I would never live. I don't tolerate socialism and limits to my freedom very well. At. All.
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