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  • Do you tell the others?

    I am sure that the topic has been addressed many times, however...

    Once I read an article about vegans, in which the author underlined their arrogance towards omnivorousness. He said that some of them come to the point of blaming people who have a yogurt as a snack at office. You know, the cow produces the milk for the calf, blah blah... I am sure you know the rhyme.
    It basically seems that every vegetarian (but vegans are even worse) feels the need to tell you how cool and how morally advanced they are. They also add healthy, despite the fact that half the vegetarians I know are alcoholics and smoke, but you know: alcohol and tobacco are vegetables

    So here comes the point: personally, I am not that zealot in what I do. During a dinner with friends I just take anything that is as-little-carby-as-possible, and when it comes to the dessert I just say I do not have any room left. Nobody ever asked if I am on a diet (actually, nobody would ever ask someone who just had a steak of 350g whether they are on diet ).
    As for physical appearance, I've always been fit (although in the last 2 months I improved after years of plateau, thanks Mark...), so nobody ever asks that either. To those few who do, I just say that "it's genetic". Which actually is the truth.

    And finally the question: what about you? Are you desperately trying to tell the world how wrong the SAD and veganism are, or just live and let the others live?

    Just curious.

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    Most of my circle of friends are full on weave your own lentils hippies, some primal, some primalish while being veggie, some try to eat fully primal but struggle with more than fish after 20 years of veggie eating, some are vegan, some are raw vegan, None eat a SAD. So I pretty much live and let live (while taking the piss out of all equally of course). I really don't try to explain to people I don't know well, I just say I don't eat proccesed foods or grains as I feel better for it.
    You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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    • #3
      Most of my friends know how i eat and i know how they eat. no need to really talk about it unless we're sharing a meal or one of us has a question for the other. some of my friends are primal, vegetarian, SAD, CW, and really anything in between. we're more likely to talk about specific nutrients and which food they're found in than a particular diet or food avoidance.

      so basically? live and let live. regardless of the topic of conversation, if someone seems disinterested in or offended by what i say, it's important to me to be sensitive to that.
      my primal journal:
      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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      • #4
        Generally I say live and let live. I tsk, tsk internally and sigh about how misinformed I think they are, but it's their body and their decision what to do with it . . . though I do talk with close friends about my primal lifestyle. I think as my body composition changes, that speaks for itself more often than not. I've got lots of friends on similar diets too, so that helps - we can talk about how evil grains and sugar are together.

        (Interesting side note - my sister is a vegetarian and part-time vegan . . . add my new found primal lifestyleness to the growing list of ways she is my opposite . . . I'm a Christian, she's agnostic . . . I'm libertarian, she's socialist . . . how did we grow up in the same house? And my poor parents, what will they feed us come Thanksgiving? LOL!)
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        • Summit all of Colorado's 14-ers
        • Hike the Appalachian Trail
        • Do a real pull-up
        • Run a 5k
        • Be "Hot For Training Camp"



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        • #5
          Live, let live.

          The few people I've tried to tell (who desperately need to do something about their health) act like I'm the village idiot even though I point out how much I've lost, how its cured my pre-diabetis and IBS and how healthy my toddler is because of it. I've gotten so fed up I started looking at it as slow evolution: they are going to eat themselves to death and there isn't anything I can do about it. So, rather than be cut down and made fun of or start arguments and lots of bad feelings I try to enjoy the time I have with them. (Though on my most cynical says I think of that line "You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think.")
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          • #6
            Originally posted by OutdoorAmy View Post
            And my poor parents, what will they feed us come Thanksgiving? LOL!)
            That's easy, you eat the turkey, gravey and veg, she get the potatoes
            You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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            • #7
              Only the people that I would like to keep around for a long time, like my mom, my sons, my boyfriend and my best friend. Other than them, I only comment when asked why I don't want the ever-present donuts. And even then, I just say "I don't eat wheat."
              Durp.

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              • #8
                No. I didn't mention it as a vegan, as a vegetarian, and now paleo. I do not mention it unless either A. i need to let people know what I don't eat or B. they ask me about it.

                In the case of A, I brush it off like "ah, i'm lactose intolerant and I also don't eat eggs or meat. But I'll bring something. (vegan days)" or (paleo) "I don't eat any wheat, but everything else is fine." i'm still lactose intolerant, i rarely eat other grains, blah blah blah . . . i just feel no need to discuss it.

                In the case of B, i still try to give wide berth. People might ask "how do you do X?" or "why Z?" and I might say "oh, you know, there are conflicting theories and studies about this, and I gave this a try and it's working very well." or "well, you know, everyone needs to find what works for them." or "if you want, you can check out this web site." And that's it.

                I tend to avoid at all costs. Unless I meet someone who does cross fit, and I go "do you guys do the paleo?" and they say yes or no accordingly. but they've heard of it from the box.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                  Only the people that I would like to keep around for a long time, like my mom, my sons, my boyfriend and my best friend. Other than them, I only comment when asked why I don't want the ever-present donuts. And even then, I just say "I don't eat wheat."
                  This. People I'm really close to I do try to convince just because I care about them. Several have come around in their own way and their own time. One went primal via finding out about a glucose intolerance. With my Dad it was diabetic peripheral neuropathy pains, with my BFF it was wanting to lose some weight and seeing my success. My hiking buddy was gleefully telling me about the five pounds he had lost just by cutting out all refined sugar (his biggest intake was Gatorade). I was happy for him and restrained myself from saying, "I've been telling you this for how many years?" People will change when they are ready. Your job is to be there with the information and support when they do.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by primal_alex View Post
                    And finally the question: what about you? Are you desperately trying to tell the world how wrong the SAD and veganism are, or just live and let the others live?

                    Just curious.
                    Yeah, I think that there are more similarities than differences between paleos and vegans.

                    And I'm more than happy to talk to people about diet if that's what they are interested in. I had a big conversastion with my SIL about six months ago (she was fairly aggressive about it, although I should have factored in her previous eating disorders I guess). Although I just recently found out that their family now cooks with only olive oil or butter, so I guess I'll score that as a win (they already weren't big sugar eaters, so there's really only cereals left as the bad guys).
                    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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                    5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                    Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                      People will change when they are ready.
                      I totally agree, it has been the same for me. And there is more: even now that I have no more doubts how good it is being primal, it still feels kinda guilty to add that additional spoonful of oil of olive onto the smoked salmon tartare. CW is not easily eradicated!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by OutdoorAmy View Post
                        I think as my body composition changes, that speaks for itself more often than not.
                        People will think you're diseased, it's happening to me. In the western world a lean person is not healthy

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by primal_alex View Post
                          People will think you're diseased, it's happening to me. In the western world a lean person is not healthy
                          If you are female in the US and used to be a size 16 but are now rocking a size 6 jeans, what you mostly get is admiration from men and catty remarks from female friends about how you must be bulimic or something.

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                          • #14
                            Live and let live. Interesting that you posted this - yesterday I was in the lunch room at work and one of my coworkers made an offhand comment about not wanting to eat the junk food laid out on the communal table (chocolates, etc). She said "I'd much rather eat my rice and beans and my fresh veggie and quinoa salad instead!" I asked her if she were vegetarian, and she said she's been vegan for a few years and vegetarian for decades. She then talked a lot about how much better she feels, etc. Coincidentally, I was sitting there reading "Primal Body, Primal Mind." I just nodded and made encouraging comments. I briefly considered saying something like, "Interesting, because my diet is almost the polar opposite of yours, save for fresh fruits and veggies," but then I just didn't see the point. If she was just a regular eater, I may have mentioned primal, but I think most vegetarians and vegans are pretty damn set in their ways and often have moral considerations for their lifestyle (and I respect that).

                            EDIT: Oh and once she left, I got up and ran to my locker, where I furtively shoved a few slices of prosciutto in my mouth, lmao.
                            Last edited by EyeOfRound; 05-27-2012, 05:15 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Great post, Primal_Alex! I've always reasoned that if I'm on to a good thing it's best to just zip my lip. Proselytizing is hard and thankless work and I'd rather direct that energy towards my well being. And for the people who swear that the SAD is God's gift to America and Primal eating is the devil, all I can do is quote that cliche about "for those that understand, no explanation is necessary, for those that don't, no explanation is possible".
                              "After all we did for Britain, selling all that corduroy and making it swing, and all we got was a bit of tin on a piece of leather, an MBE." --George Harrison

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