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  • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
    We're neither wolves nor chimps. It's more useful to look at primative human societies.



    Ok. Then let's do this: take all estates at death and use that to provide as even a playing field as possible. That way the truly gifted rise to the top and the fat dummies who got there start on their father's radio station have to work like the rest of us.




    Pretty half-assed attempt -- slaves, women, Indians.



    I'm confused. I thought it was natural to have self-interest and a power elite. But you don't think they should try to preserve their power and priveledge?
    Your lack of respect towards private property is appalling
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    • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
      They are too-cool-for-school reactionaries who dress up their petty-bourgeous/Republican/neo-confederate/status-insecurity politics in pseudo-intellectual rags. It's a self-referencing cult who's modus operandi is tautology.
      Holy ad hominem batman!

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      • "The Real Lincoln 'is seriously compromised by careless errors of fact, misuse of sources, and faulty documentation' which taken all together 'constitute a near-fatal threat to DiLorenzo’s credibility as a historian.'"
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        • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
          We're neither wolves nor chimps. It's more useful to look at primative human societies.



          Ok. Then let's do this: take all estates at death and use that to provide as even a playing field as possible. That way the truly gifted rise to the top and the fat dummies who got there start on their father's radio station have to work like the rest of us.




          Pretty half-assed attempt -- slaves, women, Indians.



          I'm confused. I thought it was natural to have self-interest and a power elite. But you don't think they should try to preserve their power and priveledge?
          Oh man, Rojo, you are out there. Primitive human societies/tribes do in fact mimic other animal societies like wolves and chimps. That was the point. You want a modern social-economic system that at least mimics our tribal nature/instincts. The problem is your imagination of what that system ought to be is idealistic and not realistic.

          You wrote: "But you don't think they should try to preserve their power and priveledge?"

          That's irrelevant. I made no such claim, "should", and if you start trying to perpetuate such claims (straw men) I leave the conversion because that'll tell me you aren't are able to reason with. So...to the contrary it's human (tribal) nature to try to not only preserve power and privilege but to enhance it...whether your in a tribal or modern large collectivist system. The hippies of the 1960s had the same ideologies you have, they set up their own communes (some primitive-like) and they couldn't pull it off on there own. What makes you believe it can be done on a modern populace scale? Like I said, your collectivist ideology would requires instincts in all humans that does NOT exist.....a universal (near) perfect altruism. Take a lesson from a 60's activist Bob Dylan The Byrds - My Back Pages (1967) - YouTube
          Last edited by Scott F; 07-26-2012, 11:26 AM.
          Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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          • Originally posted by carlh View Post
            "The Real Lincoln 'is seriously compromised by careless errors of fact, misuse of sources, and faulty documentation' which taken all together 'constitute a near-fatal threat to DiLorenzo’s credibility as a historian.'"
            Oh, please elaborate. I want to know what Lincoln was really like.

            Please be very specific about where DiLorenzo is wrong.

            I'm willing to bet you cannot come up with one single example of where DiLorenzo is inaccurate if I actually challenge you to come up with something.

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            • I haven't read the book. I copied that quote from the wikipedia article to which you linked.
              I'm sure this author that you happen to have read got it right where every other historian is wrong, though.
              Of course he was likely far from the saint that second-graders hear about in their stories. Regardless, if more space in an article a supporter linked is given over to controversies than about the book itself, it certainly doesn't inspire me with confidence as to the veracity of the work.
              Last edited by carlh; 07-26-2012, 12:47 PM.
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              • Originally posted by carlh View Post
                I haven't read the book. I copied that quote from the wikipedia article to which you linked.
                I'm sure this author that you happen to have read got it right where every other historian is wrong, though.
                Of course he was likely far from the saint that second-graders hear about in their stories. Regardless, if more space in an article a supporter linked is given over to controversies than about the book itself, it certainly doesn't inspire me with confidence as to the veracity of the work.
                Dude, anything you say bad about Lincoln is going to incite controversy.
                Last edited by Grok; 07-26-2012, 01:18 PM. Reason: spel cheque

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                • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                  Aaaaaand, there it is. Thanks for breaking this DaVinci Code. "Sic Semper Tyrannis!"
                  Eh? Rothschild is where the idea of central banking comes from. Hamilton got the idea from somewhere.

                  It's seems ironic to me that you of all people who abhors private property would suddenly revert to kookism and conspiracy theories when the name Rothschild comes up. Rothschild owns more property and personal wealth than any other family on the planet. It's no wonder someone like you will jump to discredit anyone who brings up that name.

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                  • Originally posted by patrickh View Post
                    Holy ad hominem batman!
                    Correction: a dead accurate ad hominem.

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                    • Originally posted by kenn View Post
                      Your lack of respect towards private property is appalling
                      Thanks!

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                      • Originally posted by Grok View Post
                        Eh? Rothschild is where the idea of central banking comes from. Hamilton got the idea from somewhere.
                        Somehow I doubt the Rothschilds "invented" central banking.

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                        • Originally posted by Scott F View Post
                          That's irrelevant. I made no such claim, "should", and if you start trying to perpetuate such claims (straw men) I leave the conversion because that'll tell me you aren't are able to reason with.
                          Pre-staging your withdrawal? I don't blame you. You're flailing.

                          So, if we're programmed to seek to elevate ourselves over others then wouldn't that include using whatever-means-necessary to ensure the bottom stay on the bottom? How do the John Galts of the world keep their power if their workers are free to move on up?

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                          • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                            Pre-staging your withdrawal? I don't blame you. You're flailing.

                            So, if we're programmed to seek to elevate ourselves over others then wouldn't that include using whatever-means-necessary to ensure the bottom stay on the bottom? How do the John Galts of the world keep their power if their workers are free to move on up?
                            Question: Have you ever been in a ....civil...protest? If so what

                            I havent read Ann Ryan. I've seen your (I hate to use this word but) pathetic debate tactics as far back as usenet. It's straw man tactics that isn't worth my time. You are unreason-able
                            Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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                              Also, Ann Ryan? Lulz

                              I'm not much of a fan but that's pretty damn funny

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                              • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                                Thanks!
                                Why not just say you don't think people deserve what they have?
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