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  • Originally posted by kenn View Post
    A homogeneous society that relies on another country to ensure it's neutrality?
    Ah, there we go again. Socialism won't work if there's lazy blacks about.

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    • Originally posted by j3nn View Post
      But were they allowed to leave and not be part of the tribe? Could they opt out? Makes a huge difference.
      Yes. But I'm sure nobody did. It would mean certain death. Humans are social creatures.

      Grab too much from within the tribe, from someone's dwelling, from their grass hut, from someone else's labor, OR grabbed "too much" from nature outside of the parameters of the tribe?

      Again, there's a big difference.
      At this point we should probably all stop playing anthropologist -- they're the ones who've studied this. Trying to make ancient human cultures "fit" looking backwards can make for some big assumptive mistakes.

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      • Originally posted by j3nn View Post
        Grab too much from within the tribe, from someone's dwelling, from their grass hut, from someone else's labor, OR grabbed "too much" from nature outside of the parameters of the tribe?

        Again, there's a big difference.
        I read that as being social structures that apply primarily within the tribe.

        I think that there's lots of evidence that ancestral peoples did a moderately terrible job of ecological preservation, and were largely from taking 'too much' from the environment because of a lack of ability, not ancient wisdom and ethics. Witness the extinction of the megafauna in both australia and the americas when people first entered those lands.
        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

        Griff's cholesterol primer
        5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
        Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
        TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
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        • Originally posted by Grok View Post
          You probably need to study up some more on the political philosophy of John Locke[2].
          Have you even read the books I've read! Hilarious.

          Socialism, on the other hand, is a fallacy[3] which tries to achieve equality of wealth through the means of violent force, using guns, spears, slavery, whatever.
          Like when the socialists extinquished Native Americans and enslaved Africa?

          Man, you're are spun so hard, your kids are going to be born dizzy.
          Last edited by Rojo; 07-20-2012, 12:29 AM.

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          • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
            Ah, there we go again. Socialism won't work if there's lazy blacks about.
            Quick to claim racism I see
            Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
            Starting Weight: 294 pounds
            Current Weight: 235 pounds
            Goal Weight: 195 pounds

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            • Originally posted by kenn View Post
              Quick to claim racism I see
              How else can I interpret the "homogenous culture" remark? Paulistas may convince themselves that they're not mouthing the same tired racism of their Republican fathers; that, in fact, they're really book-learned intellectuals (or youtube learned intellectuals) who've found a new path to "the truth". It's a delusion. Old wine, new bottle.

              Come to terms with it: you've been cultified.
              Last edited by Rojo; 07-20-2012, 12:32 AM.

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              • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                Ah, there we go again. Socialism won't work if there's lazy blacks about.
                Sweden in recent years opened itself up to high levels of immigration, about 13 percent of its population today is foreign born, though it is worth noting that the largest group of immigrants to Sweden are Finlandsvensk (Swedish-speaking people from neighboring Finland) who share similar cultural traditions and are easily assimilated into Swedish society. For non-Scandinavian immigrants, who include refugees from the Balkans, Africa, and the Middle East, prospects are very different.

                Sweden has one of the highest disparities between immigrants' unemployment and native-born unemployment in the developed world. Its labor market is severely segregated along racial lines.[1]

                [1] Amazon.com: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Socialism (Politically Incorrect Guides) (9781596986497): Kevin D Williamson: Books

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                • Originally posted by Grok View Post
                  Sweden in recent years opened itself up to high levels of immigration, about 13 percent of its population today is foreign born, though it is worth noting that the largest group of immigrants to Sweden are Finlandsvensk (Swedish-speaking people from neighboring Finland) who share similar cultural traditions and are easily assimilated into Swedish society. For non-Scandinavian immigrants, who include refugees from the Balkans, Africa, and the Middle East, prospects are very different.

                  Sweden has one of the highest disparities between immigrants' unemployment and native-born unemployment in the developed world. Its labor market is severely segregated along racial lines.[1]

                  [1] Amazon.com: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Socialism (Politically Incorrect Guides) (9781596986497): Kevin D Williamson: Books
                  So are you saying that labour market segmentation is worse in socialised countries, or just that socialism isn't as utopian as you think it's proponents are painting it to be?
                  Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                  Griff's cholesterol primer
                  5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                  Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                  TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                  bloodorchid is always right

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                  • The only answer is to scrap it all, the whole human race, and give the world over to feral cats- who will mate with orange cats, black cats, fluffy cats, fat cats, skinny cats, tail-less cats, mate eat some rodents and call it a day.

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                    • Fk cats
                      Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
                      Starting Weight: 294 pounds
                      Current Weight: 235 pounds
                      Goal Weight: 195 pounds

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                      • Originally posted by kenn View Post
                        Fk cats
                        Your mom's a cat.

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                        • Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                          So are you saying that labour market segmentation is worse in socialised countries, or just that socialism isn't as utopian as you think it's proponents are painting it to be?
                          I think that he's possibly saying that it's worse in Europe than in America, particularly in Sweden. I know little about Asia, but I would expect a significant segregation there. How about Latin America? The differences probably have nothing to do with socialism or not, but everything to do with history, different traditions and different understanding of nationality.
                          Last edited by anna5; 07-22-2012, 03:47 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                            So are you saying that labour market segmentation is worse in socialised countries, or just that socialism isn't as utopian as you think it's proponents are painting it to be?
                            Well, Sweden is the most "racist" country when it comes to hiring people, and this certainly is not something we should try to emulate in my opinion.

                            However, in the book, this fact was used as an example as to why socialism in Sweden is on the downward trend. It may take a few more years, but socialism will fail in Sweden too. It is physically impossible to make socialism work in accordance with human nature. Get over it.

                            BTW, you have yet to give me one single example of where socialism exists naturally with humans.

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                            • Originally posted by Grok View Post
                              BTW, you have yet to give me one single example of where socialism exists naturally with humans.
                              The myriad clans, tribes, villages, kibbutzim, families, kinship networks, etc.... Humans are naturall cooperative and for good reason, we would have perished long ago if we weren't.

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                              • Tribalism is a form of socialism
                                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                                Griff's cholesterol primer
                                5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                                Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                                TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                                bloodorchid is always right

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