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  • #16
    Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
    And I bet you're just *shocked* by the idea that in an anarchist society, there might not be people who respect the rights of others?
    Like me, for example. I'm of the "take what you want" personality type.
    In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Chaohinon View Post
      Attacking the state without first attacking the social mores that feed it is like trying to get away with only lopping off one of the hydra's heads.
      Actually it's more like lopping off the dick that the hydra was using to rape you, leaving it with no other option but to bite your head off.
      In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Chaohinon View Post
        Capitalism is a product of the state. Projecting your own preferred mode of production as something that everyone has to adopt is inherently authoritarian, whether you choose to call yourself a socialist or capitalist or whatthefuckever.
        I still don't understand what you are saying. How does a capitalist project their own preferred mode of production on everyone else without using force? In a free society you are free to be a capitalist, a socialist or a whatthefuckeverist.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Chaohinon View Post
          I advocate for anarchism and fail to see anything wrong with what magicmerl is saying. Believing that "the free market" will magically take care of all economic and social woes is equally as absurd as believing that socialism can do the same. The reality is that neither can, and any economic system (or lack thereof) is inevitably going to require constant vigilance. I just posit that a stateless society would be better equipped for monitoring social justice by way of cutting out the dangerous middle-man, but that requires a population of free thinkers of which we are not. As long as the vast majority of people are being trained by their parents, teachers, and priests to obey authority, statism and capitalism will never go away. Attacking the state without first attacking the social mores that feed it is like trying to get away with only lopping off one of the hydra's heads.
          So you are arguing that some statism is good and some isn't? Like a library is good, universal healthcare is good, wars are bad, corporate welfare is bad, etc?

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          • #20
            I gotta pay more attention to the thread titles. I came here looking for nerd rage.
            I'm not sure that most nerds are all that interested in socio-political things.

            The audio player in my linux build crashed and I had to recompile the fucking kernel! It interrupted my Battlestar Galactica download!!!
            That's nerd rage.

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            • #21
              It's just clouded thinking.

              Like capitalism is the hydra and statism is just one of the heads of that hydra. So therefore we must destroy capitalism in order to end statism. So let's use statism to destroy capitalism and when we are living like a bunch of North Koreans we can ask our Dear Leader to please just now give up power. Then we will all be a bunch of good anarcho-socialists.

              Or something like that.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Fletch666 View Post
                The audio player in my linux build crashed and I had to recompile the fucking kernel! It interrupted my Battlestar Galactica download!!!
                That's nerd rage.
                Heh.
                Buy house, Demolish house, Build house.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Grok View Post
                  So you are arguing that some statism is good and some isn't? Like a library is good, universal healthcare is good, wars are bad, corporate welfare is bad, etc?
                  This seems reasonable to me.

                  When people are hurt/sick and need help, what does anarchism say we should to? Is it 'stuff happens'?.
                  Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                  Griff's cholesterol primer
                  5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                  Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                  TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                  bloodorchid is always right

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                    This seems reasonable to me.

                    When people are hurt/sick and need help, what does anarchism say we should to? Is it 'stuff happens'?.
                    What do you think people did in this country before we had medicare and medicaid? Do you actually think sick people were just dying in the streets without being taken care of?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Grok View Post
                      What do you think people did in this country before we had medicare and medicaid? Do you actually think sick people were just dying in the streets without being taken care of?
                      Were they in their natural anarchist state then?

                      What did they do?
                      Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                      Griff's cholesterol primer
                      5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                      Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                      TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                      bloodorchid is always right

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Grok View Post
                        It's just clouded thinking.

                        Like capitalism is the hydra and statism is just one of the heads of that hydra. So therefore we must destroy capitalism in order to end statism. So let's use statism to destroy capitalism and when we are living like a bunch of North Koreans we can ask our Dear Leader to please just now give up power. Then we will all be a bunch of good anarcho-socialists.

                        Or something like that.
                        No. The hydra is everything wrong with civilization. The government is the dick. Stupidity is the head that will officially kill you when you cut off the hydra's dick. It will do so by inciting wars of control that will result in an enormous death toll.
                        So your choices are:
                        A) Keep letting the hydra stretch you out.
                        B) Get killed.
                        C) Hope that you beat the odds and the hydra misses. You are not Han Solo. The hydra head (for my purposes that's what it was) in the asteroid will eat you.
                        D) Don't cut off the hydra's dick and run like hell. It will search for its sex toy because hydra teeth aren't very good for wanking.
                        E) Become a hydra head. This is made difficult by the fact that it doesn't want to lose it's sex toy and so will keep you from visiting the wizard of oz and tapping your red breast implants together to shapeshift. Even those of us who come from a long line of hydralings have little to no chance of being a full fledged hydra. Hell, some of us are being raped now too!
                        In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

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                        • #27
                          What does anarchism actually stand *for*. It seems like it's defined itself as being 'not that other thing'. Yes?
                          Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                          Griff's cholesterol primer
                          5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                          Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                          TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                          bloodorchid is always right

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                            This seems reasonable to me.

                            When people are hurt/sick and need help, what does anarchism say we should to? Is it 'stuff happens'?.
                            Being new, maybe I shouldn't get involved here. But you're argument is flawed. Anarchism doesn't presuppose an action to help the hurt/sick, but doesn't negate one either. The anarchist argument isn't that you shouldn't help one another, only that the state shouldn't make that decision for you.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                              Were they in their natural anarchist state then?

                              What did they do?
                              They were mostly free of government intervention, yes.

                              The poor would go to churches or hospitals. There were doctors who would take care of the sick and the poor paid them back as well as they could. It's called having a sense of community and having love and respect for one another.

                              A doctor's visit before statist intervention was extremely affordable, insurance was even cheaper. With all the statist intervention we have today, the doctors and hospitals and insurance companies are robbing you all blind. It's legalized plunder. The insurance companies actually want to use the force of the state to force you to buy their products.

                              Could you imagine Monsanto using the government to force you to buy GMO corn because the FDA says it's healthier for you and we need to cut down on healthcare costs? If the government can force you to buy health insurance from corporation X, they can force you to buy GMO corn from corporation Y.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by KevinHope View Post
                                Being new, maybe I shouldn't get involved here.
                                Please do, I'm like the lone anarchist here amongst a den of statists. I need all the back-up I can get.

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