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  • Is Type 2 diabetes cured by eating Paleo/Primal diet?

    The reason I ask is that my daughter-in-law works for a pharmaceutical company selling diabetic drugs to doctors to prescibe for their patients. She says type 2 is not curable but I've read a few success stories here and elsewhere but none long term. So! does eating this way result in permanent long term removal of symptoms of diabetes type 2. I would love to hear from people with success in managing this disease.
    Original Goal: To lose weight. Achieved in March 2010
    Long Term Goals: To continue using Primal guidlines to improve fitness and health. To share the Primal message.

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    Hmmm, what do you mean by "cure"? I seriously doubt that anyone who was diabetic or pre-diabetic would ever be able to go back to eating a SAD (Standard American Diet, or in your case, possibly Standard Australian Diet ). If one did, I believe s/he would find themselves back in the same place as before. Totally IMO, but the best you could expect would be an abatement of the "markers" of Type 2 Diabetes -- that is, you would have normal range values for your triglycerides, your HDL/LDL ratios, etc. In that regard, I do believe it's possible to permanently remove the symptoms of Type 2 Diabetes, but only if you eat primally permanently.

    I don't think health is a static thing that we can achieve and then forget about. It's something that has to be maintained; you don't get healed and never have to think about it again. Kind of a lame analogy (pun fully intended), but it's not like breaking a limb, which will then heal and generally be fully functional again (or even only mostly functional). You can heal your health/metabolism, but you can also do things to damage them again.

    All that said, I too have read success stories here and other sites, and I hope to find that I have dropped back out of the pre-diabetes to the "normal" range when I next have blood work done. I hope to get off the blood pressure medications and not have to take any diabetes medicines. I don't really know how badly I've damaged my metabolism over the years (various diets, terrible eating practices, and advancing age and being post menopause). Perhaps all I can achieve is improvement, but I won't know unless I try it, so I'm trying it.

    HOW primally one would need to eat to improve or eliminate the diabetes markers probably depends entirely on the individual.

    ETA: Many diabetes medications bring along a whole host of other problems.
    Last edited by Jodis; 04-15-2012, 04:29 PM. Reason: Another thought

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    • #3
      A lot of people have eliminated their need for medication and their diabetes symptoms have disappeared eating this way. But diabetes exists on a spectrum, different countries even have different definitions of it. "Cure" sounds like you can go back to the old ways and not have diabetes anymore. I think it's more "Primal is likely to dramatically reduce the severity of diabetes depending on a lot of factors." I have not seen ONE case of a diabetic person's symptoms worsening on primal.
      If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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      • #4
        In a word, yes. Google Dr. Richard Bernstein.

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        • #5
          I seriously doubt that anyone who was diabetic or pre-diabetic would ever be able to go back to eating a SAD

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          • #6
            Originally posted by EliasFaust View Post
            I seriously doubt that anyone who was diabetic or pre-diabetic would ever be able to go back to eating a SAD
            Well, really no one should be eating SAD. Eating SAD causes Type 2 diabetes. Eating an ancestral diet reverses that. I do not understand the desire to return to all or any part of a WOE that causes disease.

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            • #7
              No, and I think Kurt Harris makes a good point on this. Paleo and other WOEs are palliative, not curative. If it was actually curative, you could go back to a SAD WOE and be fine.

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              • #8
                Diabetes can be managed very successfully on a primal/paleo/low-carb/LCHF diet -so much so that many achieve and maintain completely normal blood sugar values. But if they go back to eating a high-carb diet (and carbs are the main enemy in their case, there's no doubt about that), they would go back to high blood sugars and diabetes...

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                • #9
                  It probably doesn't 'cure' it, but it does treat it, which is all people should worry about imo. I went paleo/low-carb 6 weeks ago after a test showed I was borderline pre-diabetic. My blood-glucose dropped to the low end of normal within a few days.

                  I've no doubt the figures would go up again if I went back to eating what the powers that be want me to eat, but that isn't going to happen, much to the disgust of my GP. I tend to look at it the other way round now - paleo/low-carb may not cure T2, but high-carb with lots of sweet fruit certainly causes it.

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                  • #10
                    I am a type II diabetic and have been since 2005. In talking to my endo, she feels it is possible to put diabetes in remission for a fair number of years. She does feel that when you slow down as you age that it will probably make a re-appearance. I have an extremely strong family history and although she feels it is possible for me to put it in remission given my current numbers, with a large weight loss and exercise, she feels that it is unlikely that I would keep it longer than about 10 years. She say once the tendency is there it is always going to be a fight.

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                    • #11
                      Ingvildr, there are many stories of diabetics who have achieved normal blood sugar levels with a very low-carb diet. The Swedish doctor Andreas Eenfeldt posts a lot of them on his Swedish blog (there are interviews and newspaper/blog articles, but most of them are in Swedish), but I suppose you can read the English version and get some information there too. Also see this interview with a Canadian doctor who has been symptom-free from his type 2 diabetes for 8 years now thanks to a ketogenic diet: How to cure type 2 diabetes - YouTube I do think there's hope, if one manages to stick to a very low-carb diet.

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                      • #12
                        My DH was diagnosed diabetic 3 and a half years ago, very high Levels ( figgure he had been diabetic for some time) and the Dr/Diabetic specilist told him that he would need to eventully go on insulin, probably within a year.. That there was no cure and that food changes wouldent have a significant effect.

                        I made some changes to diet at that point, not strict Primal but cut out a lot of the sugar and added more fresh veg(i already cooked a much better diet than SAD so it wasent to hard)
                        5 months after he was diagnosed, his test came back as compleatly normal, dr couldent belive it and had to call up the lab as he figgured they had made a mistake. Nope. Test were correct. Dr not happy with that and tried to put him on statins(yes, statins which are a nono for diabetics and persons with depression issues as they are a known cause for both) at wich point hubby told him where he could stuff said statins
                        Hubby hasent tested Diabetic for over 3 years now.
                        So yes, i would say you can cure diabeties2 with diet along but keeping in mind its better to make healthy lifestyle changes to improve your health in the long run than just go on a "diet" for 6 months then go back to th same way of eating that led to the problem in the first place.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jodis View Post
                          Hmmm, what do you mean by "cure"? I seriously doubt that anyone who was diabetic or pre-diabetic would ever be able to go back to eating a SAD (Standard American Diet, or in your case, possibly Standard Australian Diet ). If one did, I believe s/he would find themselves back in the same place as before. Totally IMO, but the best you could expect would be an abatement of the "markers" of Type 2 Diabetes -- that is, you would have normal range values for your triglycerides, your HDL/LDL ratios, etc. In that regard, I do believe it's possible to permanently remove the symptoms of Type 2 Diabetes, but only if you eat primally permanently.
                          What she said. I have never been dx'ed diabetic, but my sister and father both have been. I'm pretty sure I have the gene. I do get tested annually, but my blood sugar levels have gone from in the high range to normal or a bit below. I feel like I'm avoiding triggering the disease by eating primally. Going back to a SAD will never be an option for me, because I really think that's what is happening with me.
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                          • #14
                            My understanding is that the term "cure" is thrown around a little too loosely... I don't think you can ever truly reverse it BUT you can manage it very effectively. Like another poster, I have yet to hear about one case where their diabetes became worse on a primal diet. From a biological standpoint, it's very plain to see that this diet would have unbelievably good effects on Insulin Resistance as well as blood sugar normalization.

                            I would say that the primal lifestyle (not just the diet) is the best way to manage Type 2 diabetes!
                            Disclaimer -- I'm not an MD but I DO read a lot ;-).
                            Living the primal lifestyle and loving it! On a constant quest of optimal health and living life to the fullest :-).

                            You can have excuses or results -- not both.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dracil View Post
                              No, and I think Kurt Harris makes a good point on this. Paleo and other WOEs are palliative, not curative. If it was actually curative, you could go back to a SAD WOE and be fine.
                              By that definition, nothing is curative.

                              * Antibiotics don't prevent you from getting sick again. Therefore, they are palliative, not curative.
                              * Anthelmintics don't prevent you from getting infected again. Therefore, they are palliative, not curative.
                              * Chemotherapy doesn't prevent you from getting cancer again. Therefore, it is palliative, not curative.
                              * Physical rehabilitation doesn't prevent you from injuring yourself again. Therefore, it is palliative, not curative.

                              Similarly, going back to the diet that made you sick is very likely to make you get sick again.

                              JS

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