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  • #16
    Excess consumption of carbs can cause type II diabetes.

    Rice is a source of dense carbs so of course it can be an agent of causation. That's a basic logical inference. No scientific studies required to back that up, thank you very much.

    Pretty much any source of carbs can be the agent, especially when eaten in the context of a low fat diet and a sedentary lifestyle.
    F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
      I agree that us being sedentary and confined to an office is a huge part of the problem, but I don't blame carbohydrate.





      Interestingly, we eat the same about of carbohydrate today that we did 100 years ago, and 100 years ago, heart disease and diabetes was rare. Evidence shows time and time again that it isn't carbohydrate that causes diabetes and heart disease, but rather individual sources of carbohydrate AND fat. The big difference in our diet is the source of our calories, and our total calorie intake.

      Real honey has been replaced with fake, boiled honey.
      Sugar has been replaced with HFCS and artificial sweetener.
      Wheat flour has been replaced with dwarf wheat flour.
      Butter and lard has been replaced by soybean and/or canola oil.
      Soy is in everything, where it used to be in nothing.

      Also, we consume around 400 total calories a day more, yet the majority of the jobs 100 years ago involved manual labor where today hardly any do. Ironically, since carbs have held constant, and protein is relatively unchanged, the thing that increased dramatically is fat intake. We ate lower fat diets 100 years ago. The difference is, steak, potatoes, butter and traditional wheat flour, brown sugar and molasses have been replaced by chicken breast deep fried in soybean oil, GMO dwarf wheat flour and white sugar/HFCS. Does anyone not eligible for AARP cook and bake with molasses or real honey anymore? They used to be (surprisingly nutritious) staples in households for ages.

      IMO, vegetable oils are the biggest contributor of modern disease, with GMO soy and GMO wheat being #2 and #3. I don't see as big of an issue with actual ancient wheat as an agent of disease for occasional treats, but not as a dietary staple. I feel like eggs and bacon have been replaced by cereal and pancakes nowadays.
      Really interesting post. Thanks for sharing this info.
      Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

      http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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      • #18
        As a person who lived on candy, kool-aid and spaghetti until a few years ago, I can easily tell you I'm afraid of regular rice consumption. My body has been put through enough, and at best I can only delay the inevitable a bit longer than some other folks at this point. I'm all for high-carb paleo for those people who have never lived exclusively on Jack-in-the-box tacos for months on end. But my body is wracked. High-fat really has been amazing, with just a day or two of carbing up here and there on sweet potatoes or the rare non-primal dinner.
        Crohn's, doing SCD

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
          As a person who lived on candy, kool-aid and spaghetti until a few years ago, I can easily tell you I'm afraid of regular rice consumption. My body has been put through enough, and at best I can only delay the inevitable a bit longer than some other folks at this point. I'm all for high-carb paleo for those people who have never lived exclusively on Jack-in-the-box tacos for months on end. But my body is wracked. High-fat really has been amazing, with just a day or two of carbing up here and there on sweet potatoes or the rare non-primal dinner.
          I'm with ya there, I can't eat it without feeling like crap. I crash HARD if I eat anything very starchy, especially for breakfast or lunch. Even an apple can make me feel like lead weights are attached to my eyelids, about 10 minutes after eating it! Rice is great for anyone who can handle it, but I'm definitely not in that bucket.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Daemonized View Post
            It's nearly wiped out the population of china.
            every time i see those 'save the asians' commercials with celine dion singing in the background, i cry
            beautiful
            yeah you are

            Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
            lol

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Daemonized View Post
              It's nearly wiped out the population of china.
              +1,347,350,000 (that's ONLY 19.25% of the world population).

              Ohhhh look... another STUDY! Yay.
              “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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              • #22
                Lots of studies say lots of stuff.

                I'm convinced that white rice is good for me

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                • #23
                  The question is, is it the trigger, or only a contributor? That's the real question, not being asked/addressed.
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                  • #24
                    I wonder if white rice (vs. brown rice) might suffer the same problem as things like coffee, potatoes, and beef. Most people who consume them are convinced they're not healthy, so tend to eat a lot of other crap as well.
                    “The whole concept of a macronutrient, like that of a calorie, is determining our language game in such a way that the conversation is not making sense." - Dr. Kurt Harris

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                      I agree that us being sedentary and confined to an office is a huge part of the problem, but I don't blame carbohydrate.





                      Interestingly, we eat the same about of carbohydrate today that we did 100 years ago, and 100 years ago, heart disease and diabetes was rare. Evidence shows time and time again that it isn't carbohydrate that causes diabetes and heart disease, but rather individual sources of carbohydrate AND fat. The big difference in our diet is the source of our calories, and our total calorie intake.

                      Real honey has been replaced with fake, boiled honey.
                      Sugar has been replaced with HFCS and artificial sweetener.
                      Wheat flour has been replaced with dwarf wheat flour.
                      Butter and lard has been replaced by soybean and/or canola oil.
                      Soy is in everything, where it used to be in nothing.

                      Also, we consume around 400 total calories a day more, yet the majority of the jobs 100 years ago involved manual labor where today hardly any do. Ironically, since carbs have held constant, and protein is relatively unchanged, the thing that increased dramatically is fat intake. We ate lower fat diets 100 years ago. The difference is, steak, potatoes, butter and traditional wheat flour, brown sugar and molasses have been replaced by chicken breast deep fried in soybean oil, GMO dwarf wheat flour and white sugar/HFCS. Does anyone not eligible for AARP cook and bake with molasses or real honey anymore? They used to be (surprisingly nutritious) staples in households for ages.

                      IMO, vegetable oils are the biggest contributor of modern disease, with GMO soy and GMO wheat being #2 and #3. I don't see as big of an issue with actual ancient wheat as an agent of disease for occasional treats, but not as a dietary staple. I feel like eggs and bacon have been replaced by cereal and pancakes nowadays.
                      I was thinking about this some more today. I don't disagree with any of your points. But now I am wondering if the data does suggest a role for refined carbohydrate. If we eat the same number of carbs now, but they come from a crappier source in general AND we are more sedentary perhaps the combination is more that our metabolism can deal with.

                      Perhaps we have to choose. We can be somewhat sedentary but need to be low-ish carb OR we can be super active and eat healthy carbs? Just thinking "out loud" here....
                      Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                      http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by jammies View Post
                        I was thinking about this some more today. I don't disagree with any of your points. But now I am wondering if the data does suggest a role for refined carbohydrate. If we eat the same number of carbs now, but they come from a crappier source in general AND we are more sedentary perhaps the combination is more that our metabolism can deal with.

                        Perhaps we have to choose. We can be somewhat sedentary but need to be low-ish carb OR we can be super active and eat healthy carbs? Just thinking "out loud" here....
                        Refinement is clearly an issue. Our grandparents didn't use HFCS, agave syrup and processed honey to sweeten things. They used brown sugar, blackstrap molasses, real honey and real maple syrup as staples. And probably white sugar, but white sugar's at least "clean". Artificial sweeteners didn't exist. They clearly didn't have GMO products in their diet since they didn't exist either, and all their foods weren't fortified with maltodextrin, "modified food starch", polysorbate 80, carrageenan, soy lecithin and all the other horrible things that are in seemingly every product in a box or a bag. Sure, they ate wheat and sugar, but it was actual wheat and sugar, not some genetically modified monstrosity and although it may not have been healthy, you could probably make it yourself without millions of dollars of fancy equipment and chemical solvents to extract it. There's clearly a difference.

                        White rice is actual food. It's not a whole food, but it's clean and has been a dietary staple in societies for thousands of years. It may not be nutritious, but it isn't an agent of disease, either. I wouldn't make it a dietary staple, but it's a fantastic, clean, efficient source of glucose if you need it.
                        Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 03-16-2012, 10:04 PM.
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                        • #27
                          I agree - white rice is actual food. If it's eaten in Asian style-dishes e.g. stir-fried with fish or meat, spices and vegetables it makes a very nutritious meal, and the glucose won't be absorbed too quickly. The glycaemic index of plain rice is irrelevant to anyone who eats it in the context of balanced meals.

                          White rice isn't idiot-proof, that's for sure. But nor are lots of life's essentials. If you follow the primal law of using your brain then it's a godsend.
                          Last edited by paleo-bunny; 03-17-2012, 04:12 AM. Reason: grammar
                          F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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