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    The local electric company plans to install smart meters. We don't want a smart meter because it will likely increase our electric bill. But I've heard a lot of things about health and environmental effects (like effects on bees). Our meter is directly next to our bed's headboard. We can't switch electric companies. There is only one so we have no choice. Our only options are to apply for an extension to the installation date and pressure the city council to block installation for the whole city. What says the MDA community about smart meters?
    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

  • #2
    I saw an article mercola.com about eliminating all EM fields around you when you sleep. As far as the meters go, it's the first step in regulating how much energy you can consume, so we can be "green" and save the planet.

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    • #3
      Good luck. Our power company installed smart meters last summer. Haven't noticed any rise in our electric bill; however, the power company wanted to charge customers to dispose of the old meters. What a lot of nerve...considering that they had sold the meters to some third world country for a dollar a piece or some outrageously cheap price!

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      • #4
        Yeah, ours wants to charge us to install it but we can't opt out of installation. The purpose of the meters is to charge you more during peak usage, which they now define as after work. They used to define peak usage as during the day. Now it's in the evening when we're actually home? It smells really fishy to me.
        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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        • #5
          It is the first step toward charging you more for electricity when you need it most. Not a bad idea separate from any other consideration but when it's a program administered by a monopoly heavily regulated by government you're bound to get screwed down the road.

          Sounds like you don't have a choice in having it installed but I wouldn't sleep w/ it next to my head. I'd move the bed or at least sleep the other way round.
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          • #6
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            • #7
              We can't move the bed. It won't fit in the room any other way. We'd have to move it out of the city from what I understand about the range of the EMF. I joked maybe we could cover it with lead, you know those things they drape over you for X-rays. A few California cities and counties have banned them. I think pressuring the local government is our only recourse. If they really wanted to save energy they'd get businesses to turn off lights and copy machines after everybody goes home for the day.

              I'm curious if anyone has ever had them installed and noticed any health effects. Some reports say that people get tinnitus and insomnia among other things but I never know if that is true.
              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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              • #8
                I can't see how smart meters are any more deleterious to health than cell phones or the wiring in our homes or any other source of EMF of RF prevalant in society.

                There are two ways that smart meters can increase your electric bill. The first is simply by replacing an old, stator watt meter that has slowed down. In this case, the smart meter has nothing to do with it...even if they replace a slow meter with another electromechanical meter that is accurate, your bill will increase as you'll actually be paying for what you used each month.

                The second way is if they're using the smart meter in conjunction with TOU (time of use) billing. This is an incentive for you to use power off peak demand (not at the same time as everyone else) in order to a) prevent capacity short fall (it is not a given that a power utility can always make enough power for an increasingly power hungry society to use at the same time) and b) to keep the cost of power generation down (everyone wants power when and how they need it, but who wants a new powerplant of transmission line in their backyard).

                Twould be more primal if society never became so technology dependent, of course. But smart meters are a relatively innoffensive advent, in the grand scheme of things.

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                • #9
                  Hate them.

                  They're the reason I'm getting laid off in the next few months.

                  Thank you, stimulus money!
                  Durp.

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                  • #10
                    Sbhikes, do you have an update on what happened with the smart meter?

                    I have recently discovered my sensitivities to EMF as well and luckily the city hasn't given everyone the smart meters yet. They're piloting them in a few suburbs and one city neighborhood, but it has stalled due to a few of them catching houses on fire.

                    I was listening to an interview of a doctor famous for his work in EMF on the human body and he said that if you go outside and bash the thing in, the electric company will come back and install another one once its discovered its broken. You can claim vandalism. After 3 times of bashing the thing in, they will install the old type again. Apparently this has been the only solution to the problem in that city. (not sure where...Seattle?)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rosie1973 View Post
                      I was listening to an interview of a doctor famous for his work in EMF on the human body and he said that if you go outside and bash the thing in, the electric company will come back and install another one once its discovered its broken. You can claim vandalism. After 3 times of bashing the thing in, they will install the old type again. Apparently this has been the only solution to the problem in that city. (not sure where...Seattle?)
                      I, personally, would not try this. The power company is not stupid. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't start charging you for the new meter plus installation labor, and that's not going to be cheap. Since the meters are technically company property (you may own the house but you don't own the meter), you could be liable for vandalism and destruction of property, not to mention fraud and tampering.

                      Where I live, that can easily be a felony.

                      Most areas have some kind of an "opt-out" program. Some are better than others, and some are pretty much useless. I would investigate that avenue first, as opposed to others that could get you a criminal record.
                      Durp.

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                      • #12
                        Around here the the smart meter radio transponders are inactive 99% of the time...take a look at the the meter to see who makes it and get some facts. Or are you going to go around smashing wifi hotspots and routers too?

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                        • #13
                          I work for a mobile phone company that provides services to an electricity company for smart meters. From the traffic profile, my guess is that the meters are each making one call to report their data per day. It is in the small hours. The impact has to be negligible. YMMV but think about it - the electricity companies aren't going to pay for any more phone calls than they need to, even at a negotiated discount rate, and the phone companies aren't going to support a large volume of traffic from the meters at their peak time without charging appropriately

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                          • #14
                            When they come to install it just keep the door closed and say "fuck off".
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by keithpowers View Post
                              Two words: Faraday cage.
                              Can they be made of tin foil?
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